Thanks for making such a complex argumement! Wasnt really thinly veiled its in the first post that i am pro kirkby!
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teppic
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Thanks for making such a complex argumement! Wasnt really thinly veiled its in the first post that i am pro kirkby!
well neiler, you have said about three times already in this thread you don't want another 'boring' stadium debate. so i was keeping it simple for you.
the premise of the question is wrong. it is silly as another poster stated. we don't know what moyes' position is. perhaps he does not want to move the peoples club to kirkby. for all we know he might be waiting for it to be called in before signing his contract. sound silly? just the mirror of your argument.
how about.. move to kirkby and lose moyes or stay at goodison and keep moyes? it's just a pointless question, using moyes as leverage for which ever camp you are in. this threads dead.
At the risk of repetition, Post 16, there can only be one reason Moyes has not signed. He wants/needs money to further his ambition with EFC. I should imagine that nothing would please him more than being able to bring some silverware to Goodison.
This will not happen if we move to Kirkby as we will not get the alleged 50,000 per home game and the transfer kitty will decrease. And decrease fairly dramatically I would think !
BK and KW are just waiting for approval of the "Tescodome" and then, like a big drain, all of the money will disappear leaving Moyes with next to nothing to spend on anybody.
This will not happen if we move to Kirkby as we will not get the alleged 50,000 per home game and the transfer kitty will decrease. And decrease fairly dramatically I would think !
BK and KW are just waiting for approval of the "Tescodome" and then, like a big drain, all of the money will disappear leaving Moyes with next to nothing to spend on anybody.
well neiler, you have said about three times already in this thread you don't want another 'boring' stadium debate. so i was keeping it simple for you.
the premise of the question is wrong. it is silly as another poster stated. we don't know what moyes' position is. perhaps he does not want to move the peoples club to kirkby. for all we know he might be waiting for it to be called in before signing his contract. sound silly? just the mirror of your argument.
Well the premise of the question is as right or wrong as saying, hes not singing contract as he beleives his budget funds will be cut if we move to Kirkby, its a 50/50 arguemnt, and i made it frrm a pro-kirkby standpoint which i am in favour of! Truthfully you me and everyone else who posted on this thread dont have a clue, the nay sayers beleive that moving will suck up every available penny, while the proers beleive it is vital to create new revenue streams to move, in the end depending on what you bbelieve to be true you can argue either hypothetical point, and still be wrong, i think i am righter then you because i am pro kirkby and you think i am talking out of my arse because your not. I certainly havnt called anyones post's silly, out of respect because i people who are against the move are entitled to that opinion. You go ont to say after pointing out my sillyness that nobody knows what Moyes positiion is, true, i didnt say it was fact but given that nobody knows his position its one hypothetical scenario, i didnt say it was the right one. I have accepted that the question in Pro Kirkby but the facilites are there for other polls to be done with an anti kirkdy slant it, feel free.
how about.. move to kirkby and lose moyes or stay at goodison and keep moyes? it's just a pointless question, using moyes as leverage for which ever camp you are in. this threads dead.[/quote]
I dont think its a pointless question, if i am honest, i would want to stay at goodison and keep Moyes and i am pro kirkby but i think the club will thread water and Moyes will eventually become frustrated, but i guess for some people its better the devil you know, and we have all become adept at giving out about our current finacial position, so why waste those skills, with little projected change in the situation without a move.
Not knowing what Moyes's position we can only speculate, im no stranger to being wrong, as i know your not, but we are both presuming, my question is hypothetical and can easily turned for an anti kirkby spin im not trying to catch people out, i wasnt trying to be right or wrong or wrong in this thread, i wanted to see how deeply people felt the courage of their convictions, and the results were intresting, some willing to put their neck on the line, and some just slagging me throwing their toys out of the pram, and calling me a silly boy!
The question itself is irrelevent becasue at the endof the day its guess work, but the final resutls are intresting.the main prurpose of the thread was to open the debate, of what i belive to be correct, is that on some level wheather it be due to more or less transfer funds, or he feels a move is needed to be ambitious or not! The general consenus is that the stauim issue is having a bearing on Moyes's in terms of signing his new contract, a point i feel hasnt really been aired!
teppic
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this thread is turning in to the big lebowski. loads of talk with nothing actually happening! two hypothetical arguments going head to head. almost a good a waste of time as facebook!
neiler, i don't want you to get your goat up over the silly comment. it was afterall coined by an earlier user.
i'm not going to vote in the poll because i rarely get involved in hypothetical questions, a habit from my childhood i guess.
still, if moyes leaves everton over kirkby then should everton fans not do the same? i would hope fans and manager would not let a stadium issue influence their support of the mighty blues.
it is thin ice all this i'm not going to watch everton in kirkby, or even moyes 'throwing his toys out of the pram' as you say quitting if we do/don't get the stadium.
neiler, i don't want you to get your goat up over the silly comment. it was afterall coined by an earlier user.
i'm not going to vote in the poll because i rarely get involved in hypothetical questions, a habit from my childhood i guess.
still, if moyes leaves everton over kirkby then should everton fans not do the same? i would hope fans and manager would not let a stadium issue influence their support of the mighty blues.
it is thin ice all this i'm not going to watch everton in kirkby, or even moyes 'throwing his toys out of the pram' as you say quitting if we do/don't get the stadium.
My comment in regard to throwing toys out of the pram was not direncted at Moyes, but rather to those who criticised my opinion and reverting to pointing to points as silly as they may well be, its a hypthetical question as almost all of the stadium debate is therefore sillyness is rampent in the for and against camp! Please dont feel i am not singleing you out, as i said i am aware that the question is pro kirkby, but i feel the proers are enititled to space on this as the nayers. As you have stated its a coined arguement, so i feel making the point of my permise, is as justified as the flip side. Ah sure thin ice is the only way to skate!
DENNIS STEVENS
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Neiler, you say that "the proers beleive it is vital to create new revenue streams to move". 2 queries immediately spring to mind : firstly, what new revenue streams do you anticipate in kirkby that we couldn't have at goodison & secondly, if wyness has estimated additional revenue, not profit, from the new stadium at £10 million - is this the level of additional revenue we need ?
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