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Provisional dates and kick-off times for Everton's final six 2019/20 Premier League matches:

Saturday 4 July - 3pm
Tottenham Hotspur v Everton

Wednesday 8 July - 8pm
Everton v Southampton

Saturday 11 July - 3pm
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Everton

Wednesday 15 July - 8pm
Everton v Aston Villa

Saturday 18 July - 3pm
Sheffield United v Everton

Sunday 26 July - 3pm
Everton v Bournemouth
 

catcherintherye said:
I think that heard immunity nonsense, of catching it as being a good idea has been widely ridiculed by scientists. There's no doubt there are other benefits to opening up, but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that if you are just looking at whats required to beat the virus, isolating and hiding away is the most effective tool we currently have.
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Wish we had herd immunity as a football club....So many fans pretending to be Everton fans lol
 
catcherintherye said:
I think that heard immunity nonsense, of catching it as being a good idea has been widely ridiculed by scientists. There's no doubt there are other benefits to opening up, but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that if you are just looking at whats required to beat the virus, isolating and hiding away is the most effective tool we currently have.
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I probably need to read up on what more of them have been saying, because I've seen 1 or 2 saying the opposite, and tbh frustration has started to set in over the last week or so, hence my comments.
 
catcherintherye said:
I think that heard immunity nonsense, of catching it as being a good idea has been widely ridiculed by scientists. There's no doubt there are other benefits to opening up, but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that if you are just looking at whats required to beat the virus, isolating and hiding away is the most effective tool we currently have.
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Herd immunity is only actually possible with a vaccine. Without it, you can expect 7/8ths of the herd to die.

Which going by this government's tactics so far, might actually be the plan.
 
radiostar said:
Herd immunity is only actually possible with a vaccine. Without it, you can expect 7/8ths of the herd to die.

Which going by this government's tactics so far, might actually be the plan.
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The death rate currently globally from Coronavirus is that 1.4% of people who become infected die, with 98.6% of people recovering. As for a vaccine for you to be able to test a vaccine you actually need people to catch the virus. The R number going down actually hinders the development of a vaccine.

It is a complex issue with a huge number of unknowns. We might never find a vaccine if the virus mutates the way other coronaviruses do, immunity may be short-lived.
 

radiostar said:
Herd immunity is only actually possible with a vaccine. Without it, you can expect 7/8ths of the herd to die.

Which going by this government's tactics so far, might actually be the plan.
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Herd immunity can ideally be achieved with a vaccine, but a vaccine is a hope not an inevitability.

While not advocating this as an approach by any means, exposure of a majority to the virus would almost certainly slow it's spread as the number of new targets inevitably decreases and the distance apart of potential new targets increases, the R rate would inevitably decrease. It's the theory behind Sweden's approach in that any second wave could easily bypass them and their overall strategy found to be better than initially thought as of now.

It's very hard to forecast their success or failure of this strategy as so much depends on the percentage exposed not showing symptoms, there maybe a far higher percentage of the overall population exposed than just going on official infection figures, it's why an antibody test for everybody would help this calculation. The long lasting immunity is also impossible to gauge atm.

The death rate among the general population is incredibly low, it's high amongst vulnerable groups but not the majority

All of this is in the wrong thread.
 
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Chris O'Connor said:
Herd immunity can ideally be achieved with a vaccine, but a vaccine is a hope not an inevitability.

While not advocating this as an approach by any means, exposure of a majority to the virus would almost certainly slow it's spread as the number of new targets inevitably decreases and the distance apart of potential new targets increases, the R rate would inevitably decrease. It's the theory behind Sweden's approach in that any second wave could easily bypass them and their overall strategy found to be better than initially thought as of now.

It's very hard to forecast their success or failure of this strategy as so much depends on the percentage exposed not showing symptoms, there maybe a far higher percentage of the overall population exposed than just going on official infection figures, it's why an antibody test for everybody would help this calculation. The long lasting immunity is also impossible to gauge atm.

The death rate among the general population is incredibly low, it's high amongst vulnerable groups but not the majority

All of this is in the wrong thread.
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I think the Swedish point is a fair one. The 1919 flu they felt the first wave was defeated, and the 2nd wave was far more deadly. From my limited understanding, the virus could mutate and could become more serious, or less serious, so we have to see.

All my original point was, the idea that we can't "hide away at home" to fight this virus is the opposite of what has proven to have worked thus far.
 

Ring master said:
Provisional dates and kick-off times for Everton's final six 2019/20 Premier League matches:

Saturday 4 July - 3pm
Tottenham Hotspur v Everton

Wednesday 8 July - 8pm
Everton v Southampton

Saturday 11 July - 3pm
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Everton

Wednesday 15 July - 8pm
Everton v Aston Villa

Saturday 18 July - 3pm
Sheffield United v Everton

Sunday 26 July - 3pm
Everton v Bournemouth
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So from 21st June, with a one week exception, we'll play weekend, midweek, weekend thru to the end of July.

We wont be fielding a full team by the time it gets to Bournemouth. 14 week break followed by 6 weeks constant football. We're goona need a bigger treatment table.
 

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