Project restart discussion.

[H.H.]

I'll have to go more in detail when I'm a bit less tired. But essentially looking at numbers pre Covid will soon seem a world away. They are almost irrelevant. It's a world where fans go to stadiums, sponsors pay up and Europan TV money is made.

The most important ratio I would look at now is wages. We will probably keep most of the PL tv revenue (whichbis distributed quite equitably) but most other revenues will be far more difficult to claim and certainly maintain at anything approaching pre Covid levels.

Tottenham are in a uniquely bad place, as theyve just launched into a 1bn borrowing exercise, at a time where we are heading into a recession, so thing become worth less. A mitigating factor may be if they have certain targets associated to the loan, they may hit them, and trigger an rise is borrowing cost.

Tldr, clubs who are reliant on european money, gate receipts and sponsors to cover high wage Bill's are in serious trouble. Paradoxically the things that were indicative of a well run business pre Covid 19 are now weaknesses. Recessions are cruel, uneven and often quite bizarre processes that dont work to conventional logic.

We are also in trouble, we were in trouble before this happened. On the face of it, probably one of the least financial secure clubs going before this. However we might not be in the worst 5 or 6 now.

You like saying "Might," "Maybe" and "Probably" a lot in your posts.

For a start, Spurs do not have a billion pound borrowing exercise. During the period of building the stadium, not only did they make millions in profits they also paid out many millions during the stadium build so the actual loan is £637 million.
Still a massive amount of money but more it's more than £300 million less than you quoted they have to pay back.

 

[orly]

Tory go-karting lollollollollollollollol

Think that is originally one of @Walken 's lol

 

[Goat]

Think that is originally one of @Walken 's lol

The best lines are always worth stealing.

 

[dandydan]

Looks like Kane will be sold very soon.

Who will have the money to pay the transfer fee spurs will want and the wages Kane will expect?

 

[orly]

The best lines are always worth stealing.

Absolute cracker that one lol

Caught a few out with American rounders for baseball a few years ago too, think that one was mine, can't remember [edit: it wasnt , I stole it apparently], but Tory go-karting is great

 

[H.H.]

Who will have the money to pay the transfer fee spurs will want and the wages Kane will expect?

If like expected transfer fees collapse, I'm sure a fair few clubs would be in for him but it would also depend on if he wants to leave (which if I'm honest, he should, he's talent deserves more than Spurs can give him.)
The new bigger richer club that he joins would also be willing to match what Spurs currently pay him.

 

[Archie Knox]

From what I am reading the clubs still need to agree to these crazy proposals, with 14 out of 20 needed to pass them to re-start the league. Surely there are comfortably more than 6 clubs that would be against this and whose seasons are much, much better off being curtailed.

I mean, literally anybody below us in the league for starters... City (could only drop lower than second if it started up again), Leicester, Chelsea, United (will qualify for CL if it ends as it is).

 

[Toast]

Who will have the money to pay the transfer fee spurs will want and the wages Kane will expect?

Newcastle.

No laughing at the back..

 

[Khalekan]

Who will have the money to pay the transfer fee spurs will want and the wages Kane will expect?

I think Spurs, Kane and every other club and player are going to find out the hard way that fings ain’t wot they used to be when it comes to transfer fees and wages in the post COVID football era.

Spurs won’t get the transfer fee they want and Kane won’t get the wages he wants elsewhere.

Ergo he will remain at Spurs IMO.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think Spurs, Kane and every other club and player are going to find out the hard way that fings ain’t wot they used to be when it comes to transfer fees and wages in the post COVID football era.

Spurs won’t get the transfer fee they want and Kane won’t get the wages he wants elsewhere.

Ergo he will remain at Spurs IMO.

I think that remains to be seen. If things get going relatively soon, say the whole PL and CL get played next year, then the money is still there.

But that might be out of reach.

 

[Jamiednm]

From what I am reading the clubs still need to agree to these crazy proposals, with 14 out of 20 needed to pass them to re-start the league. Surely there are comfortably more than 6 clubs that would be against this and whose seasons are much, much better off being curtailed.

I mean, literally anybody below us in the league for starters... City (could only drop lower than second if it started up again), Leicester, Chelsea, United (will qualify for CL if it ends as it is).

????

If the league doesn't restart, it doesn't just end with the current positions as final. Otherwise teams will be relegated automatically and the leader will be handed a title they haven't actually won. Same goes for European places.

 

[Harryflashman]

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If the league doesn't restart, it doesn't just end with the current positions as final. Otherwise teams will be relegated automatically and the leader will be handed a title they haven't actually won. Same goes for European places.

Aston Villa have to be the fly in the ointment of just ending it as is . For the life of me I can’t see how you relegate a team with a game in hand .

 

[Moomin]

Aston Villa have to be the fly in the ointment of just ending it as is . For the life of me I can’t see how you relegate a team with a game in hand .

Change it to PPG, problem solved.

 

[Archie Knox]

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If the league doesn't restart, it doesn't just end with the current positions as final. Otherwise teams will be relegated automatically and the leader will be handed a title they haven't actually won. Same goes for European places.

I am pretty sure that there will be European football next season.

 

[Harryflashman]

Change it to PPG, problem solved.

I see that as a solution , well a suggested solution but find it all a bit bizarre frankly . I certainly understand the logic but if villa win their game in hand they’d be out of the bottom 3 but PPG seems them remain in it , I don’t see how that gives them a fair crack really . My guess though is if they’d played and won that game they’d be out of the relegation zone under PPG , doesn’t feel fair really .

i’m certainly not bright enough to figure out the whole thing and I honestly don’t think there is any really fair if equitable way to resolve it other than the options of formally finishing the season or voiding it . Stopping something at an arbitrary point , for the obvious Pandemic reasons , and drawing a line there just doesn’t feel like the way to do it whatever system you Use .

The RS are the best team in the country and deserve to win the league , they would have . I just feel they’ve become a distraction in all this now . Playing out games with no relegation in empty stadiums or on training pitches with half arsed players is ridiculous . I can’t believe I’m saying it but If it was the only alternative I’d much rather just give them the title and move on , the twisting and turning from the governing bodies is pathetic . For the life of me I just can’t see anyway to sort it .