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[marnie]

I work in a hospital as far back as week 19 which is the week ending May 8th the number of deaths in hospitals was 114 fewer than the seasonal average. So more than 5 weeks ago we had fewer deaths in hospitals than the seasonal average.

I work on yer missus whilst you are working.Happy to help out mate.

 

[catcherintherye]

I am not avoiding the question. The ONS data shows that fewer people died in week 19 in hospital than the seasonal average. That is the data. Premier League footballers are tested every week and self-isolate if they test positive. It is incredibly safe for Professional footballers to play football.

You've not been asked about hospital data though, as has been noted before. The discussion was about ONS data across the country. To talk about hospitals was your attempt to weasel out.

So let's try again. Without weaseling out, does the ONS show deaths declining in society compared to the 5 year average. Can we have an answer on that?

 

[gwladysnight]

You've not been asked about hospital data though, as has been noted before. The discussion was about ONS data across the country. To talk about hospitals was your attempt to weasel out.

So let's try again. Without weaseling out, does the ONS show deaths declining in society compared to the 5 year average. Can we have an answer on that?

Of course excess deaths are declining in society compared to the 5 year average.

 

[catcherintherye]

Of course excess deaths are declining in society compared to the 5 year average.

Ok so excess deaths, are lower than the 5 year average?

 

[TowerToffee]

COVID-19 is an upper respiratory infection. It isn't spread by sweat.

The reason loved ones are not allowed to be with their partners and loved ones is because people dying in hospital end up in ICU.

Relatives have been allowed to be with their loved ones at end of life in care homes / hospital since the government modified the guidelines mid April but unfortunately it was dependant on the availability of adequate PPE which was in short supply in both areas .

 

[catcherintherye]

Relatives have been allowed to be with their loved ones at end of life in care homes / hospital since the government modified the guidelines mid April but unfortunately it was dependant on the availability of adequate PPE which was in short supply in both areas .

He just makes it up as he goes along.

 

[TowerToffee]

He just makes it up as he goes along.

He must be an NHS Manager then lol
Matt Hancock and gwladys a marriage made in heaven !

 

[catcherintherye]

He must be an NHS Manager then lol
Matt Hancock and gwladys a marriage made in heaven !

Theres a lot of Hancock in there. He thinks hes nailing it, but everyone watching him can just see the lies coming out of his mouth.

 

[B17BLG]

Ok so excess deaths, are lower than the 5 year average?

Funny he was active viewing this thread 21 minutes ago which was the very same time you posted the above. And still, no reply!

What a weirdo

 

[catcherintherye]

Funny he was active viewing this thread 21 minutes ago which was the very same time you posted the above. And still, no reply!

What a weirdo

I've asked him about 12 times. He finds a different way each time not to answer the question.

Its not a hard question to answer. The ONS has not shown a reduction in excess deaths since the outbreak. He just lacks the integrity to tell the truth. Watch, he wont do it.

 

[gwladysnight]

You've not been asked about hospital data though, as has been noted before. The discussion was about ONS data across the country. To talk about hospitals was your attempt to weasel out.

So let's try again. Without weaseling out, does the ONS show deaths declining in society compared to the 5 year average. Can we have an answer on that?

Ok so excess deaths, are lower than the 5 year average?

Your problem is that you are asking two different questions. The fact that you don't realise that is precisely why you shouldn't be commenting on this situation.

 

[B17BLG]

Your problem is that you are asking two different questions. The fact that you don't realise that is precisely why you shouldn't be commenting on this situation.

I see two questions that are the same?

You work in the NHS you say, good grief!

 

[gwladysnight]

I see two questions that are the same?

You work in the NHS you say, good grief!

No the first question is whether ONS shows excess deaths were declining compared to the five year average. Clearly the number of excess deaths is declining. In early April we had a huge number of excess deaths. That number has quite obviously declined as evidenced by every available metric.

The second question is whether excess deaths are above the seasonal average. As I said from week 19 the excess deaths in hospitals are below the seasonal average.

Now you may see that as a cop out but it isn't. The reason why it is more sensible to look at the hospital excess death statistic is that the conditions in care homes has changed. The government have lowered the minimum standards required of care homes. That has lead to an increase in deaths unrelated to coronavirus.

From the latest ONS report.

• In the period from Week 11 (ending 13 March) to Week 18 (ending 1 May), over 8,000 fewer deaths were registered in hospitals than in the corresponding period in the weekly average, a decrease of 20.9%; in contrast, almost 11,000 more deaths were registered in care homes, an increase of 60.5%, and over 8,000 more deaths were registered in private homes in this period, an increase of 42.6%.
• The largest increases in non-COVID-19 deaths compared to the five-year average are seen in deaths due to "dementia and Alzheimer disease" and "symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions" (the latter mostly indicating old age and frailty); overall, there have been 5,404 excess deaths (an increase of 52.2% on the five-year average) due to dementia and Alzheimer disease and 1,567 excess deaths (an increase of 77.8%) due to "symptoms signs and ill-defined conditions" from Week 11 (ending 13 March) to Week 18 (ending 1 May), which together comprise two thirds of total non-COVID-19 excess deaths in this period.
• Deaths due to causes such as asthma and diabetes increased up to the week ending 24 April 2020 and occurred increasingly outside hospital; this could suggest a delay in care for these conditions is leading to an increase in deaths, although this rise could also be related to undiagnosed COVID-19.

 

[canuckblue]

What in blazes does this have to do with restarting the PL? People -- of all colours -- are still dying. Shift this argument over to the Covid thread, FFS.

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

Looks like Kieron is back