Project restart discussion.

[kenada_blue]

A few reports saying upto 50 players have voiced concerns,they havent yet had discussions with clubs or assurances on insurance should either they or a family member suffer because of it,I honestly cant see why they would risk it when there is no need

It's always going to happen as every club/player will have their own concerns about the whole thing restarting from top to bottom.

I know I keep banging on about it, but the more it goes on the more I feel PPG is the logical way to go. The arguements for it being "unfair" can easily be pointed at restarting the league under so many restrictions.

 

[jaycee]

It's always going to happen as every club/player will have their own concerns about the whole thing restarting from top to bottom.

I know I keep banging on about it, but the more it goes on the more I feel PPG is the logical way to go. The arguements for it being "unfair" can easily be pointed at restarting the league under so many restrictions.

To me void is the fairest way,PPG is no way to sort things out,it doesnt take into account whether the game is home or away,whether a player is back from injury,plus how many times has a team turned it around while another team has collapsed,just say its over and try sorting out what to do in the coming months with regard to behind closed doors,fonances,contracts etc

 

[boris]

It's always going to happen as every club/player will have their own concerns about the whole thing restarting from top to bottom.

I know I keep banging on about it, but the more it goes on the more I feel PPG is the logical way to go. The arguements for it being "unfair" can easily be pointed at restarting the league under so many restrictions.

They may get away with awarding European places using that method, I don’t think clubs will really complain or lose too much from it.

However, if 3 clubs lost £250 million plus each due to being relegated by PPG they’d sue the league and win with ease.

They could bankrupt the league the numbers we’d be talking about. PPG will not be used for relegation no matter how much they try to threaten it will. All 6 clubs know that, hence why they’re still voting against resuming not on there terms.

I think it’s definitely getting cancelled. The only danger to that is no relegation getting passed. Then they’ll just accept any of these ridiculous measures being suggested as a way to finish it then.

 

[canuckblue]

To me void is the fairest way,PPG is no way to sort things out,it doesnt take into account whether the game is home or away,whether a player is back from injury,plus how many times has a team turned it around while another team has collapsed,just say its over and try sorting out what to do in the coming months with regard to behind closed doors,fonances,contracts etc

Also, PPG does not take into account the strength of teams already played. Teams with games remaining against top 6 sides would fare a lot better as they've had a theoretically easier go of it so far.

 

[jaycee]

Also, PPG does not take into account the strength of teams already played. Teams with games remaining against top 6 sides would fare a lot better as they've had a theoretically easier go of it so far.

I think its Brighton have a hell of a run in,games were theoretically they would struggle to get a point,theres far too many variables in the game to base things on

 

[Deckard2049]

I think its Brighton have a hell of a run in,games were theoretically they would struggle to get a point,theres far too many variables in the game to base things on

Brighton who haven’t won a home game in 2020- in fact Brighton who haven’t won a game in 2020. I wonder if they have some ulterior motive to wanting the season not to resume...

Really the decision should be taken out of the clubs hands the way it was in France. As soon as football was postponed till at least September the French league was able to resolve the situation with haste.

 

[Ollie d]

Big Joe got a lot of kopite abuse last week suggesting the football not be played because Liverpool fans would gather in numbers and brake social distancing measures.
Well yesterday there seems to have been plenty of street parties and congas for VE day, if people couldn't behave 75 years on from an event there's no chance those shameless ticket thieving, bus attacking, masterbating in the street scruffs will.

Think that's a tad biased view mate, when have the Liverpool supporters ever misbehaved?

ticket thieving, bus attacking, masterbating in the street

Oh....

 

[kenada_blue]

To me void is the fairest way,PPG is no way to sort things out,it doesnt take into account whether the game is home or away,whether a player is back from injury,plus how many times has a team turned it around while another team has collapsed,just say its over and try sorting out what to do in the coming months with regard to behind closed doors,fonances,contracts etc

If you remove this need for "fairness" and just look at what's already happened, then it's a better way to keep the leagues structure

No matter what solution a team will always lose out and it can never be fair.

You void a season it ends up being unfair to the championship promotion sides. You promote them, you have more teams, more games, which will mean other competitions with take a hit.

You keep things as they are and void, teams will lose players, sell their best players etc as they've basically had a "trial run" for 80% of a season so teams have seen who they want. The relegation candidates have another chance to survive...how's that then fair to a new team that goes down the following season?

If you play the games out...as seen there's cries of unfairness at how they're wanting to carry it out.

You postpone until it's "safe" (and let's be honest it's never going to be 100% safe for years) you're then months behind other leagues.

You've already had Ligue 1 do it. There's talk that the championship is going to do it.

The only thing stopping is the money lost and the notion that its "unfair".

 

[kenada_blue]

Also, PPG does not take into account the strength of teams already played. Teams with games remaining against top 6 sides would fare a lot better as they've had a theoretically easier go of it so far.

That gets knocked on the head with neutral venues, asthmatic players who can't play, and other variables if the games are played out which is what the relegation clubs are arguing about.

There's pros and cons to it all.

 

[kenada_blue]

I think its Brighton have a hell of a run in,games were theoretically they would struggle to get a point,theres far too many variables in the game to base things on

But voiding the league and giving them another crack at safety is fair?

 

[jaycee]

If you remove this need for "fairness" and just look at what's already happened, then it's a better way to keep the leagues structure

No matter what solution a team will always lose out and it can never be fair.

You void a season it ends up being unfair to the championship promotion sides. You promote them, you have more teams, more games which will mean other competitions with take a hit.

You keep things as they are and void teams will lose players, sell their best players etc as they've basically had a "trial run" for 80% of a season so teams have seen who they want. The relegation candidates have another chance to survive...how's that then fair to a new team that goes down the following season?

If you play the games out...as seen there's cries of unfairness at how they're wanting to carry it out.

You postpone until it's "safe" (and let's be honest it's never going to be 100% safe for years) you're then months behind other leagues.

You've already had Ligue 1 do it. There's talk that the championship is going to do it.

The only thing stopping is the money lost and the notion that its "unfair".

But you are only keeping one leagues structure fair,which in its self isnt fair,there is a pyramid system in place,all who have the same rules and regulations,why is the PL held up as different,either play every game out or play none

 

[RomanReigns]

Just let Gary lineker, Ian Wright and Alan shearer decide the league table given they they have decided every bloody thing else over the past few weeks

 

[kenada_blue]

But you are only keeping one leagues structure fair,which in its self isnt fair,there is a pyramid system in place,all who have the same rules and regulations,why is the PL held up as different,either play every game out or play none

As mentioned the championship and league 2/3 are looking at PPG. Playoff games for the final place.

The PL takes the same stance, you're looking at a unified agreement across all divisions.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Sounds like its definitely going to restart by the sounds of things.

Only way I can see it changing is if this relaxing of lockdown see's an inevitable increase in infections and the NHS are funny about having football grounds take away some of their resources.

Regardless of what happens I won't be watching it - the Merseyside Derby at an empty stadium in Brighton would be an utter farce.

 

[Westend Blue]

They may get away with awarding European places using that method, I don’t think clubs will really complain or lose too much from it.

However, if 3 clubs lost £250 million plus each due to being relegated by PPG they’d sue the league and win with ease.

They could bankrupt the league the numbers we’d be talking about. PPG will not be used for relegation no matter how much they try to threaten it will. All 6 clubs know that, hence why they’re still voting against resuming not on there terms.

I think it’s definitely getting cancelled. The only danger to that is no relegation getting passed. Then they’ll just accept any of these ridiculous measures being suggested as a way to finish it then.

Personally think there is only three viable options

1. Resume the league when it is absolutely safe to do so get all clubs on board would be needed for this no neutral grounds if required home team picks the venue. Logistical nightmare but and I highly doubt it would be safe to resume before other options need to be taken.

2. PPG to finalize league positions, prize money and European places. No relegation clubs vote whether or not to award title. look at possible financial compensation for teams predicted to come up or maybe expand league temp for one season.

3. Null and void stiff biccies decide on EL places via meeting no promotion or relegation.

TV money can be negotiated with different terms and conditions the following year to make up short fall