Progress

[davek]

It was perfectly clear the top 4 comment was in the context of this season, as that was what the question was about - this seasons poor away form.

He carried on saying we have one more home game and wanted to finish it well with a win, then finished by saying "next season, we'll see".

Couldn't have been much clearer once you listen to it.

Let me ask you a question based on what you've seen and heard of this feller so far: in the pre season/early next season to come, if a reporter asks him if it's realistic that Everton should get top four do you think he'd answer "yes"?.

He's already started to pipe up about the difficulties of playing the extra games in the EL. His statement yesterday was another early indication that he's going to mark everyone's card that we shouldn't be looking that far up the league table next season.

He's cut from exactly the same cloth as Moyes: an expectations manager.

 

[bignev23]

I don't demand or expect CL football. I demand and expect the manager though to tell me it's realistic....and it is realistic (tough, yes, but still realistic).

I don't want him telling me that 'it's Everton, it's not realistic'.

As said, let him hand back his £6m if that's what he thinks. We can get Puel in to get us to a cup final and midtable for half the price.

I think Woolly has just outed it as being said about this season anyway mate. That's certainly how it reads to me.

 

[tommye]

Who are the 99 who are saying one thing?

It's not even in the eye/ear of the beholder. It's there right in front of you to be read.

Give it up Dave. It's fairly obvious to seemingly everyone bar yourself what was said and how it was intended. Nobody will think any less of you admitting you're wrong occasionally. In fact it might earn you a bit more respect. Just my thoughts.

 

[Amw79]

Let me ask you a question based on what you've seen and heard of this feller so far: in the pre season/early next season to come, if a reporter asks him if it's realistic that Everton should get top four do you think he'd answer "yes"?.

He's already started to pipe up about the difficulties of playing the extra games in the EL. His statement yesterday was another early indication that he's going to mark everyone's card that we shouldn't be looking that far up the league table next season.

He's cut from exactly the same cloth as Moyes: an expectations manager.

I think you've got a point around his is a managing expectations type of management.

However his statement yesterday you stated was saying top 4 is unrealistic next season, and that's a shocking misinterpretation, as it clearly wasn't.

Ultimately though, talk is cheap, I want to see year on year progress, and this year we've seen it.

If he comes out shouting from the rooftops about "I'll get champions league next year", it matters little - I'll judge it based on actions, not words.

 

[hktoffee]

Let me ask you a question based on what you've seen and heard of this feller so far: in the pre season/early next season to come, if a reporter asks him if it's realistic that Everton should get top four do you think he'd answer "yes"?.

He's already started to pipe up about the difficulties of playing the extra games in the EL. His statement yesterday was another early indication that he's going to mark everyone's card that we shouldn't be looking that far up the league table next season.

He's cut from exactly the same cloth as Moyes: an expectations manager.

What's wrong if he speaks the truth rathering than lying? If he is backed with big budget fair enough if he needs to sell to buy then what's the problem?

Do you feel better if a manager lied and alleged he can deliver CL but in reality he had no ability to do the same and got 11th?

You are twisting Koeman's words he did not say anything about top 4 chance next season yesterday.

 

[canuckblue]

Let's see, now. We'll finish this season with more wins than last year, fewer losses, fewer draws, more goals for, fewer goals against and four places higher in the table. That, no matter how you slice it, is progress. Not a huge jump, to be sure, but still steps in the right direction. This summer will be massive.

 

[MACCA75]

There's nothing ambiguous about it. He was asked about away form and that stopping Everon being a top four challenger and he replied that it's unrealistic for Everton to be top four.

It can be looked at upside down and inside out if you like, but it's just a tortuous effort to make it sound like it wasn't what he said.

It was very very clearly about this current season. But you know that.

 

[davek]

Let's see, now. We'll finish this season with more wins than last year, fewer losses, fewer draws, more goals for, fewer goals against and four places higher in the table. That, no matter how you slice it, is progress. Not a huge jump, to be sure, but still steps in the right direction. This summer will be massive.

I don't see anyone saying it's not progress of some description. I see people saying it's not enough progress and/or progress in some aspects and stagnation and even regression in some other aspects.

It's not black and white at all really is it?

 

[davek]

It was very very clearly about this current season. But you know that.

No mate. It was very clearly a general point about what we he sees as the parameters that we work within.

No matter, if you and others care to give it the narrow interpretation is wasn't meant to have all this will be cleared up very soon in the next few months when this current manager will be asked where we can expect to be next season.

I doubt VERY much whether his projections will be any sunnier than the one he made yesterday.

 

[DanEFC92]

No mate. It was very clearly a general point about what we he sees as the parameters that we work within.

No matter, if you and others care to give it the narrow interpretation is wasn't meant to have all this will be cleared up very soon in the next few months when this current manager will be asked where we can expect to be next season.

I doubt VERY much whether his projections will be any sunnier than the one he made yesterday.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ald-koeman-barcelona-everton-holland-12983838

When pointed out he’d put emphasis on the term “one day”, Koeman added: “Yes, because I now owe to Everton. We have a very powerful and exciting project and we will reinforce our best to try to reach the next season the Champions League.”

 

[hktoffee]

No mate. It was very clearly a general point about what we he sees as the parameters that we work within.

No matter, if you and others care to give it the narrow interpretation is wasn't meant to have all this will be cleared up very soon in the next few months when this current manager will be asked where we can expect to be next season.

I doubt VERY much whether his projections will be any sunnier than the one he made yesterday.

I ask you the same question again, do you feel better if a manager lied and alleged he can deliver CL? What make you think he must get CL next season? What if he is not backed with a big budget with a good net spend this summer?

 

[davek]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ald-koeman-barcelona-everton-holland-12983838

...and now he's saying after a defeat away to Swansea it's not realistic.

And......?

 

[JelavicBrate2]

In some ways we have, in some ways we haven't. We have comfortably beaten average teams at home, avoiding slip ups like happened under Martinez. On the other hand we have failed to turn up in quite a lot of games this season, away from home in particular. We were awful yesterday, awful at West Ham, awful at Liverpool, awful at Watford, awful at Southampton, awful at Spurs and awful at Burnley. We still need to make a lot of changes, but I think most of us would have been happy finishing 7th at the start of the season.

 

[canuckblue]

I don't see anyone saying it's not progress of some description. I see people saying it's not enough progress and/or progress in some aspects and stagnation and even regression in some other aspects.

It's not black and white at all really is it?

The areas where we may have regressed (and none spring immediately to mind) are far outnumbered by the areas in which this club has improved. Still work to do, especially on the away front, but overall things are trending in the right direction.

 

[ToePeg]

Exactly... Progress, yes, but that wouldn't be diffcult. But what is progress from here? Where do we expect to be next year? Higher than 7th? If so, I'm not convinced it's happening. Hinestly, right now I'd finish 17th and win the League Cup

I'd much prefer we finish 7th and win a cup, acceptable and more than achievable next season.