Progress

[ianefc]

Just for the purposes of being fair. Martinez had this squad 13th Koeman has it 7th the bulk of his critics were equally as critical of the Summer window. I'm sure there is an analogy in there somewhere but it does seem odd to criticise the manager when you were previously criticising the 'tools' he was afforded.

Let's put it this way after 12 games under Martinez the consensus about him as a manager would've of been somewhat different to the actual reality. Koeman is being roundly criticised and we are 7th and if West Ham win we'll be a point off 5th a 1/3 of the way into the season.

The question should be, What were you expecting??

 

[Dharma]

We have been practicing defending corners. Now we just need to practice taking them.

 

[MikeH72]

But it's still that great squad of players that Martinez cocked up, but now with some added quality in Williams and Gana that Koeman can't get anything out of? (I know it's still early days)

But they've all got worse in the last 3 years, Barkley, Mirallas, Deulofeu, McCarthy, Coleman, Baines, they've all become worse players under his management. Jagielka too, but he's just finished.

 

[local_blue]

But it's still that great squad of players that Martinez cocked up, but now with some added quality in Williams and Gana that Koeman can't get anything out of? (I know it's still early days)

Williams looks like another Everton style donkey defender to me, pie arsed with no acceleration.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

The idea that we had a great squad last season is one of he biggest lies of the century. We had no top keeper, a mostly ageing defence, an injury prone midfield and no backup for Lukaku. Sadly, little has changed.

I agree mate, it flattered to deceive at times under Martinez.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Williams looks like another Everton style donkey defender to me, pie arsed with no acceleration.

Leadership and experienced though mate.

 

[Doink]

Progress is that we now know for certain that it's not just the manager's fault and we can now identify a load of deadwood that needs shipping out.

 

[gianthogweed]

The club is a stinking stagnant pond they can [Poor language removed] off

 

[Joey66]

There's been slight progress. But long log way to go.

It's woeful to watch wait till we play a top team again!

 

[Blues Harp]

Klopp did it give them away get them off the wage bill, someone made a suggestion to my older brother sack Koemans brother move big Dunc in charge of the under 21s fetch in Unsworth, and Sheedy as they know how football in midfield and defence should be played sounds good to me!

Kenwrong is still there - lance that boil and we can start rebuilding - don't think RK had a say in the contracts offered to Gibson or the purchase of Niasse etc

 

[Ernie]

Just for the purposes of being fair. Martinez had this squad 13th Koeman has it 7th the bulk of his critics were equally as critical of the Summer window. I'm sure there is an analogy in there somewhere but it does seem odd to criticise the manager when you were previously criticising the 'tools' he was afforded.

Let's put it this way after 12 games under Martinez the consensus about him as a manager would've of been somewhat different to the actual reality. Koeman is being roundly criticised and we are 7th and if West Ham win we'll be a point off 5th a 1/3 of the way into the season.

The question should be, What were you expecting??

To play better football and not struggle against poor sides like Bournemouth/Swansea and Burnley

 

[Joey66]

Kenwrong is still there - lance that boil and we can start rebuilding - don't think RK had a say in the contracts offered to Gibson or the purchase of Niasse etc

If we sacked his brother it's away if him walking without compensation, or he stays to be prompted by Sheedy and Unsy we can't get the basics right fgs!

 

[ianefc]

To play better football and not struggle against poor sides like Bournemouth/Swansea and Burnley

Yep no problem with that. But it wasn't gonna happen in 12 games.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

But they've all got worse in the last 3 years, Barkley, Mirallas, Deulofeu, McCarthy, Coleman, Baines, they've all become worse players under his management. Jagielka too, but he's just finished.

I'll give you Coleman, McCarthy and Baines who went backwards, but the rest of them have always been inconsistent, Barkley first half of last season was boss but was allowed to get lazy, and his fitness dropped towards the end of the season, Deulofeu always done/does it in patches, but had a great spell that Lukaku profited from, Mirallas is just a tool, and can't argue about Jags being finished.

 

[Blues Harp]

If we sacked his brother it's away if him walking without compensation, or he stays to be prompted by Sheedy and Unsy we can't get the basics right fgs!

Sorry what ??