Potential cancellation of games - Coronavirus

[Deckard2049]

Absolute survivalists in this thread. Can tell who’s been watching Mad Max and viewing it as a survival guide. Swear some people are desperate for an actual apocalypse so they can demonstrate what a tough nut they are and are fantasising about restarting the population with whatever women are left alive.

Let’s just turn Goodison into the thunderdome and drag Tina Turner out of retirement and be done with it: Here’s our new home kit

 

[willo30]

I can only imagine they want x amount of the population infected first to ensure a first wave hits the hospital at this time to in effect run the capacity to the maximum that they can. Sounds wrong but that is then x amount that won't get it later when the NHS is overstretched. Once a certain number is hit they will prevent large gatherings. It seems they are playing fast and loose to me.

There is no immunity from this virus yet so you can catch it more than once.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Absolute survivalists in this thread. Can tell who’s been watching Mad Max and viewing it as a survival guide. Swear some people are desperate for an actual apocalypse so they can demonstrate what a tough nut they are and are fantasising about restarting the population with whatever women are left alive.

Let’s just turn Goodison into the thunderdome and drag Tina Turner out of retirement and be done with it: Here’s our new home kit

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And what are your grounds for being completely calm?

We are left with countless questions regarding this including, what are the long term effects? Can you catch it twice? Is it something that can mutate into a much deadlier or seasonal disease?

There may be answers to allay fears with these but at the moment nobody knows.

The general principle is you don't want to catch it even if you are fit and healthy and you don't want to put extra stress on the NHS which will bound to be in trouble when you are getting 30 odd new patients who need access to a ventilator every day.

You look to China whose cases are declining according to their stats and they are still sending armies out disinfecting streets. Do you think they would do this if it was just a normal substrain of the flu?

 

[firefighterblue]

And what are your grounds for being completely calm?

We are left with countless questions regarding this including, what are the long term effects? Can you catch it twice? Is it something that can mutate into a much deadlier or seasonal disease?

There may be answers to allay fears with these but at the moment nobody knows.

The general principle is you don't want to catch it even if you are fit and healthy and you don't want to put extra stress on the NHS which will bound to be in trouble when you are getting 30 odd new patients who need access to a ventilator every day.

You look to China whose cases are declining according to their stats and they are still sending armies out disinfecting streets. Do you think they would do this if it was just a normal substrain of the flu?

Were dooommmed dooommmed I say!!

 

[maccavennie]

Absolute survivalists in this thread. Can tell who’s been watching Mad Max and viewing it as a survival guide. Swear some people are desperate for an actual apocalypse so they can demonstrate what a tough nut they are and are fantasising about restarting the population with whatever women are left alive.

Let’s just turn Goodison into the thunderdome and drag Tina Turner out of retirement and be done with it: Here’s our new home kit

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New home kit? I've had that kit for the past 6 seasons now.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Were dooommmed dooommmed I say!!

Might be, might not be. But if everyone takes it seriously then hopefully it will be the latter.

 

[Toast]

Cheltenham going ahead. Starts tomorrow and the town will be filling up already. Then 1/4 million mainly bladdered folk will all go the races then carry on the drinking across the town.

As in, unlike a football match where most head home, at Cheltenham, thousands stay all week.

After 20 pints of Guiness a day, I'm sure the Irish wouldn't know if they had it or not.

 

[The binman chronicles]

There is no immunity from this virus yet so you can catch it more than once.

Have you got a source for this please? I heard about one possible case where they thought they got a double dose but the last I read was it was debatable if that actually happened.

 

[ChesterBlue]

Have you got a source for this please? I heard about one possible case where they thought they got a double dose but the last I read was it was debatable if that actually happened.

My understanding is they think it’s possible the virus numbers dropped massively in the lady’s bloodstream, meaning it was no longer detectable by tests, and then reactivated causing the appearance of her having caught it again

 

[Catfish Blues]

It's an unnecessary risk.

As are lots of other things which involve close contact with others.

Cinema, theatre, even sitting in a busy pub will all involve some level of risk, and they're all optional. Everyone's situation and response will be different, based on the risk to both themselves and to their immediate family and how they perceive those risks, but I'd wager most of the people typing in this thread are still doing things which increase their risk of picking up the virus, but, strictly speaking, are optional. I'd wager you've done something in the last two or three days which involved contact with people that you could, at a push, have avoided ?

All I'm saying is, that if we want to fully limit the spread of the virus, then we need to limit what we do to what's totally necessary, which, for most people, doesn't just mean closing down public entertainment events, but means just sticking to shopping for food and caring for those close to us. But I doubt there's currently an appetite for such a draconian solution ... though there may well be at some time in the not so distant future

 

[The binman chronicles]

As are lots of other things which involve close contact with others.

Cinema, theatre, even sitting in a busy pub will all involve some level of risk, and they're all optional. Everyone's situation and response will be different, based on the risk to both themselves and to their immediate family and how they perceive those risks, but I'd wager most of the people typing in this thread are still doing things which increase their risk of picking up the virus, but, strictly speaking, are optional. I'd wager you've done something in the last two or three days which involved contact with people that you could, at a push, have avoided ?

All I'm saying is, that if we want to fully limit the spread of the virus, then we need to limit what we do to what's totally necessary, which, for most people, doesn't just mean closing down public entertainment events, but means just sticking to shopping for food and caring for those close to us. But I doubt there's currently an appetite for such a draconian solution ... though there may well be at some time in the not so distant future

It's going to be a very long post if I go into detail but the short version is I weigh up the risk ratio. I went to the utd game last week which was the riskiest activity I have done since the outbreak. I was due to go to Cardiff for rugby and while I think at this moment in time the risk is small(ish) as I would go by car, it is enough that I won't.

I have been shopping (usually late at night) with very few people around, but my kids are in school which is my likeliest route to catching this.

I still think that events that pull people from all over the country are far more risky than going to your local cinema/pub.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I still think that events that pull people from all over the country are far more risky than going to your local cinema/pub.

Probably, but it kind of depends on whether the virus has reached your local community or not. If it hasn't, then that pint in the pub with people who havn't left the area since going to their parents at Christmas is pretty much 100% risk free, but, in reality, none of the optional stuff we do is totally risk free.

 

[davek]

History will not reflect kindly on the people who have made these decisions.

Absolutley spot on.

Commercialism is trumping safety.

The people making decisions in this government need hanging.

 

[Deckard2049]

And what are your grounds for being completely calm?

We are left with countless questions regarding this including, what are the long term effects? Can you catch it twice? Is it something that can mutate into a much deadlier or seasonal disease?

There may be answers to allay fears with these but at the moment nobody knows.

The general principle is you don't want to catch it even if you are fit and healthy and you don't want to put extra stress on the NHS which will bound to be in trouble when you are getting 30 odd new patients who need access to a ventilator every day.

You look to China whose cases are declining according to their stats and they are still sending armies out disinfecting streets. Do you think they would do this if it was just a normal substrain of the flu?

I take it seriously. I’m more afraid of something happening at work than I am in a public space though. We live in a self absorbed society. If people are worried about their health I doubt attending football matches will be a primary motivation of theirs. How many hypochondriacs have already rang 111 or taken themselves to A and E because they “felt a little funny”. How many people are ransacking the supermarket shelves preparing for Armageddon? People look out for themselves and their family. If anyone is worried, they should just make the personal decision not to go somewhere- whether that’s the match, the cinema, the pub a restaurant etc.

What will unfortunately not change though is people needing money. You think the millions of self employed/cash in hand people are going to stay off work if the government advises them to when they’re not entitled to sick pay? I’m doubtful. I got an Uber order delivered this weekend and the driver seemed to have some sort of cold/bug. What should I have done? What should he have done?

My attitude is very much keep on truckin’. Not trying to be flippant or nonchalant, I’m just not a doom merchant. I see in another post of yours that your making your own decisions on whether or not to attend certain public events. That’s exactly how it should be at this stage. I also think that people going on about commercialism trumping public safety are wrong. If things get worse then more measures will be taken and I’ll hold my hands up for my original post you commented to. It’s not like all work is suspended, all schools are closed all public events are banned but the government are like “oh but you can all carry on going the game because the premier league don’t want to be effected”. If the time comes it’ll happen.

 

[davek]

My attitude is very much keep on truckin’. Not trying to be flippant or nonchalant, I’m just not a doom merchant. I see in another post of yours that your making your own decisions on whether or not to attend certain public events. That’s exactly how it should be at this stage. I also think that people going on about commercialism trumping public safety are wrong. If things get worse then more measures will be taken and I’ll hold my hands up for my original post you commented to. It’s not like all work is suspended, all schools are closed all public events are banned but the government are like “oh but you can all carry on going the game because the premier league don’t want to be effected”. If the time comes it’ll happen.

If things get worse it'll be as a result of not going to containment sooner.

The brake has been put on this in South Korea and China because of containment, as it no doubt will in Italy soon.

FFS, cant we just get ahead of the curve instead of wallowing in this numbskull 'see how it goes' laissez faire 'kin nonsense that the Thatcher Kids in Number 10 are encouraging?


This is calamitous leadership on a colossal scale.