[POLL] Should Ronald Koeman be sacked?

[Groucho]

Do we really have 27 kopites on here?

Or are they Koeman’s relatives?

Those wishing to support the manager are not kopite.

 

[Axlswhk]

Martinez got cut more slack because he outperformed in his first season whereas Koeman put us back to where most of us think is a reasonable place.

Apart from that, I think because there's been one recent sacking many now look on it as the right thing to do, and will have no patience with any manager. If Koeman was replaced tomorrow, then his successor would, as soon as he went through a bad patch, be under much the same pressure some time next season. Basically we've become of those clubs.

Koeman not being likeable doesn't help. Doubtless if things don't improve, he will get sacked, but replacing him is no guarantee of a medium to long term improvement.

Most of us can differentiate between a bad patch or stubborn clueless manager. There's a big difference between the 2.

We can all handle a bad patch, we can't handle a manager who keeps playing a wrong setup to prolong the bad patch.

 

[Woolly Blue]

It means we will be out of 2 more cups and ruled ourselves out of Europe next year. What's the point waiting till Christmas. Why would we give another dozen games? This is not turning itself round.

I'd really like us to still be in a couple of cups and be fighting for Europe come Christmas. Not looking over my shoulder at the bottom 5 or 6 and out of 2 out of 3 trophy chances.

But that's just me.....

Barring a miracle, we're already out of the Europa League and, given our form at places like the Bridge, progressing beyond that tie would need a big slice of luck.

Anyway, much as I like you, you change your mind on everything, sometimes within an hour, so I'm not convinced you're the right person to listen to on this one !

 

[ijjysmith]

Poll feels a bit pointless as he’s not going anywhere.

 

[Viennablue]

That’s a pretty damning poll result.

But really you could change the poll question to: “are you unhappy we lost today” and get the same result.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Most of us can differentiate between a bad patch or stubborn clueless manager. There's a big difference between the 2.

We can all handle a bad patch, we can't handle a manager who keeps playing a wrong setup to prolong the bad patch.

All managers are stubborn. I'd agree that his tactics and selections are baffling, but his recent record over the last three seasons is decent. Maybe this is the season where it goes off the rails for him and he gets his P45, but equally he might turn it round.

If he loses his job tomorrow I won't shed any tears, but I believe in giving people a decent crack if the whip and it's only the middle of October.

Each to their own though

 

[ToffeeTim]

Barring a miracle, we're already out of the Europa League and, given our form at places like the Bridge, progressing beyond that tie would need a big slice of luck.

Anyway, much as I like you, you change your mind on everything, sometimes within an hour, so I'm not convinced you're the right person to listen to on this one !

The fact I initially thought Koeman was the right choice is ample reason to show he's not the answer and we need to get rid....

Sticking by managers isn't something to be lauded. In fact United are the exception. Most successful teams change regularly. We gave Martinez way way too long and it cost us a trophy. I just don't see how this is going to improve. If you're going to change do it early.

 

[davek]

He's not an Everton manager. His attitude and antics are alien. That's been obvious for some time. Attacking players for no reason, snarling at other managers for no reason, blaming every one but himself for reversals, looking and sounding like he doesn't want to be here.

He's just a wrongun. We may or may not stabilise to something more respectable, I dont know. But that wont alter the fact that Koeman is never in a month of Sundays an Everton manager. Her's too abrasive and he's too much of a 'kin coward. And that's all apart from being useless tactically.

 

[Axlswhk]

All managers are stubborn. I'd agree that his tactics and selections are baffling, but his recent record over the last three seasons is decent. Maybe this is the season where it goes off the rails for him and he gets his P45, but equally he might turn it round.

If he loses his job tomorrow I won't shed any tears, but I believe in giving people a decent crack if the whip and it's only the middle of October.

Each to their own though

He is a decent manager immediately identifying our flaws and did the right thing to change after taking over Martinez. I don't believe he is a bad manager, it's the chronic stubbornness that blinded his judgement at the moment, and this blindness can be amplify by ego, the result can be disastrous for us even beyond this season.

Every manager is stubborn, but if stubbornness produce detriment results, the manager is as good as useless.

 

[Woolly Blue]

He's not an Everton manager. His attitude and antics are alien. That's been obvious for some time. Attacking players for no reason, snarling at other managers for no reason, blaming every one but himself for reversals, looking and sounding like he doesn't want to be here.

He's just a wrongun. We may or may not stabilise to something more respectable, I dont know. But that wont alter the fact that Koeman is never in a month of Sundays an Everton manager. Her's too abrasive and he's too much of a 'kin coward. And that's all apart from being useless tactically.

He's basically a poor man's Harry Catterick. But, if, like Catterick, he won things, no-one would care about his undoubted faults.

Well, maybe a few would care, but most would turn a blind eye to his faults.

 

[Goat]

Do we really have 27 kopites on here?

Or are they Koeman’s relatives?

Ironically, some what, there is now 39.

Make of that what you will.

 

[davek]

He's basically a poor man's Harry Catterick. But, if, like Catterick, he won things, no-one would care about his undoubted faults.

Well, maybe a few would care, but most would turn a blind eye to his faults.

He's like Catterick...if Catterick was utterly useless and a hard faced fraud.

Catterick was an Evertonian. I'm coming to the conclusion that we need a spell with a man who knows the club and respects it. Unsworth if we cant get Tuchel.

 

[Woolly Blue]

He is a decent manager immediately identifying our flaws and did the right thing to change after taking over Martinez. I don't believe he is a bad manager, it's the chronic stubbornness that blinded his judgement at the moment, and this blindness can be amplify by ego, the result can be disastrous for us even beyond this season.

Every manager is stubborn, but if stubbornness produce detriment results, the manager is as good as useless.

Yea, I agree with pretty much all of that. Assuming he stays in his job, he'll likely fall over a combination which works.

It's a bit weird, but, for some reason, there are very few managers who are able to get more out their players than the sum of their parts. Of the managers that are able to do that, the majority do that with poor to average players and the ones that are able to do it with good to average players are a very rare breed, which is why there's always a manager merry go round, changing one average manager for another one in the hope that a combination clicks for two or three seasons.

Plainly at the moment, Koeman is getting far less out of this squad than he should be doing, but binning him off and replacing him with another decent'ish manager is unlikely to result in a long term difference.

 

[Goat]

Yea, I agree with pretty much all of that. Assuming he stays in his job, he'll likely fall over a combination which works.

It's a bit weird, but, for some reason, there are very few managers who are able to get more out their players than the sum of their parts. Of the managers that are able to do that, the majority do that with poor to average players and the ones that are able to do it with good to average players are a very rare breed, which is why there's always a manager merry go round, changing one average manager for another one in the hope that a combination clicks for two or three seasons.

Plainly at the moment, Koeman is getting far less out of this squad than he should be doing, but binning him off and replacing him with another decent'ish manager is unlikely to result in a long term difference.

He was the best manager we could have attracted when given the job and even if we sacked him, hes STILL the best manager we could attract.

 

[Ring master]

should have went at the 2 week international break,if hes still here by the next 2 week break,he has to be gone then at latest,nothing on anything is changing no matter what he says or claims etc