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Fickle for sure. Listening to Jags interview on MOTD, there's no doubt Martinez stubborness has had us playing the slow tikka takka football for 8 horrible months of this season. Even he, has now accepted it doesn't work, and what a difference it made yesterday. Still say there are a lot of better managers out there and I'd like to see one at Everton come the start of next season. The reality however is that it won't happen anytime soon.:(

What we saw these two games was Martinez's slow build up play- only faster. We're still patient in our approach, but are gaining the intensity needed to play it- and why not?
 

Yes. We had some phenomenal moments last season, but when we were not scoring, scurrying back and blowing our cheeks out at another missed open goal by the opposition, we were pretty dull imo.

I just don't like passing just to keep the ball, and last season we did a lot of it.

It bores me, like I say, Spain won the world cup with the most complete display of it.. and I found it dull.
 
Yes. We had some phenomenal moments last season, but when we were not scoring, scurrying back and blowing our cheeks out at another missed open goal by the opposition, we were pretty dull imo.

I just don't like passing just to keep the ball, and last season we did a lot of it.

It bores me, like I say, Spain won the world cup with the most complete display of it.. and I found it dull.

If you found any aspect of last season boring then I honestly think football and Everton isnt for you.
 
What we saw these two games was Martinez's slow build up play- only faster. We're still patient in our approach, but are gaining the intensity needed to play it- and why not?

Or playing it further up the field.

Nowt wrong with keeping possession if you are a mere heartbeat away from opening them up.

It is the passing along the back four that annoys people.......or my own particular bugbear, the ball travelling back from the edge of the opposition box to our goalkeeper.
 

Well I personally made an effort yesterday, I clapped everything we did, some of it wasnt clap worthy, but I clapped it anyway, I did notice a lot of people seemed to adopt that approach, there were a few groans and a few silly shouts, but overall I think a lot of people decided to support rather than abuse.

Clearly we played better yesterday and god knows what it would have been like if we conceded first, but I enjoyed yesterday a lot more than I enjoyed thursday.
 
Well I personally made an effort yesterday, I clapped everything we did, some of it wasnt clap worthy, but I clapped it anyway, I did notice a lot of people seemed to adopt that approach, there were a few groans and a few silly shouts, but overall I think a lot of people decided to support rather than abuse.

Clearly we played better yesterday and god knows what it would have been like if we conceded first, but I enjoyed yesterday a lot more than I enjoyed thursday.

wasnt there, so my comment is completely invalid, but i heard the fans actually singing and supporting after the wee spell of newcastle pressure and McCarthys save on the line. Atmosphere seemed better and the players seemed more at ease.
 
If you found any aspect of last season boring then I honestly think football and Everton isnt for you.

I love footy, I just never bought into possession for the sake of it as really being footie.
That being said, last season was good, and on a lot of the occasions when we went forwards we were superb and it was a joy to watch, then we would pass around for 10 minutes waiting for a chance.. Its fine, and it was done well and the individualness of most of the goals, showed a freedom we hadn't see for a long time, however it just isn't how I like football to be played, I like to see a purpose, and a team dynamism as well as individual brilliance.

The Newcastle game was ideal for me, attacking, scoring, and playing as a team, not relaying on Coleman, Barklay or Mirallas to unlock the door on their own but using the players to unlock the door through good attacking football.

I'm not saying we were not great last season, we were, just not really my brand of footie that, prefer a little more urgency about it.
Had some great games, and great results though.. The Arsenal (Coleman) game was something quite extraordinary.
But you will get that with any style of play to be fair.
 
wasnt there, so my comment is completely invalid, but i heard the fans actually singing and supporting after the wee spell of newcastle pressure and McCarthys save on the line. Atmosphere seemed better and the players seemed more at ease.

It was indeed....even before the game started.

When people knew we were playing with two specialist strikers in the team we knew crab ball had been ditched.....at least for this game.

And that is all anyone had been wanting this past four months.

A bit of blood and thunder......bit of tempo....bit of that oft used but awful word pash-un........;)

It just makes the match all the more pleasureable when you are entertained.
 
Barring a Europa League win, how can he justify a season where we haven't finished in the Top 7 and most likely, top half?

He'll have until next Christmas to turn it around or he'll be out.

Moyes finished 17th in his second season.

I said before yesterday's game that what we witnessed against Kiev was the pace being upped and the movement had more urgency - and when you do that you necessarily bypass players who you would use if that movement and pace of passing the ball wasn't there. In other words, it's illusory to see fundamental change. Martinez has been standing on the line doing that motion he does to speed up tempo time and time again - THIS is what he's wanted (and it goes to the heart of my worry about Everton not having dominant leadership presence ON THE PITCH who can transfer that instruction).

We played in this mixed manner all last season. We played a lot of different styles within games (which is what Martinez always stresses: that flexibility to switch in-game). Only in the first 3/4 games of last season were we playing a ponderous brand of football...something that we broke out of back then and something Martinez has been trying to break us out of in certain games where we fell into it this season.

Some people want to set the debate up as a battle of wills between retaining "dat tippy tappy tika taka stuff lad' and abandoning it to 'play with long purposeful passing'. That argument is an abstraction and doesn't do justice to what's gone before and what the manager is trying to achieve now...which, put simply, is to play winning football by retaining as much possession of the ball as necessary to open teams up....which in turn needs pace and movement.

Exactly, we played at the level we played the Arsenal game at (at Goodison), albeit not as intense and with a depleted lineup. The style of play is the same just more intense- how it should be- i think it is more a difference in the players' mentality more than the style of play. The difference was Arsenal and Newcastle.
 

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