jaycee
Player Valuation: £60m
So any of the teams from Leicester downwards are in danger yet mone of them thought their only hope was Alladyce?
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Nothing to do with that and that's not what I said ffs.
All of those teams who have sacked their manager acted quickly and decisively.
I am criticising Everton for not doing that. We should have had a man in place straight away when Koeman was sacked or, at the latest, in the international break after the Watford game. It should have been a list of targets who were available and could address our vital needs - sort out the defence and play a system that suits our best players.
The time for that was 6 weeks ago, and Sam should have been nowhere near it.
But, we dallied. We dawdled. We chased two managers whose clubs were not having any of it and told us straight away that that was the case.
In the meantime we shipped 20 goals and the squad came out as a toxic mess - one win against a tosh side doesn't change that.
We panicked, because it was left to go on so long, and at that point no manager like Silva, Dyche or Tuchel would touch us. Sam would, as he's the best we could get because of how long it went on. He knows it's the biggest club job he's had and for all the football manager experts on here, the guy does have a good track record for what we need right at this minute.
That's kind of how the league table works mate. I'm really not sure where you're going with this at all. If we beat Huddersfield on Saturday - not beyond the realms of possibility I hope you'll agree - we could be 9th, and 8 points clear of the relegation zone.
I'm not saying we're great, and i'm not saying there's absolutely no chance whatsoever of us going down, but some of the recent panic has been way over the top in my opinion. We have enough quality to beat the majority of teams at home - as we've shown so far - and hopefully we can pick up a few more wins away to propel us up the league. In my opinion this squad finishing in the bottom half - particularly if January brings reinforcements - would be a very poor return.
You can, as long as you don't mind me pointing out that a) You'd be wrong, because it's 5.
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b) Having 8 better and 5 worse would leave us in... Midtable, like I said.
JLW
Player Valuation: £70m
He got the England job because he’s English and a football manager, the other options were Pardew and Pulis realistically. He’s achieved absolutely nothing in the game with various different clubs. Oh sorry he’s never been relegated!! Pfffft
Come on mate let’s not try and justify his appointment, he doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near our club.
I'm not panicking as such.
I'm fuming that the club let it get to this stage.
But I'm also not having the revisionism of now people saying we should be getting seventh. The target has to be get out of this mess we're in.
As it stands, that means getting to 40 points asap. That will come from sureing up the defence, not conceding 6 goals in two consecutive away games against sides who have struggled for games all season etc, and giving our good attacking players a basis to work from.
In the main, we did that last night, except for 20 minutes in the second half in which an awful West Ham side had 85% of the possession, hit the bar and forced Pickford into a great save. We killed the game thanks to a moment of inspiration and a bit of luck - luck which we haven't had so far this season.
I don't think we'll go down. I think that if we'd have got our act together sooner, and appointed a manager 4 weeks ago, we'd have been in a much better position.
But we didn't. And we've ended up with Sam because of the position we were in and the fact we shipped 20 goals in 8 games led to that.
What he did with Bolton was an achievement alone.
He's a solid manager.
He's not who I wanted at our club. He's not who should have got the job.
But we got ourselves in a position - both on and off the pitch - where he quickly became the only option.
It's just delusional to think otherwise.
It's a crap position to be in and one we should never have been in. But we are, and we're still in it. Hopefully, come Christmas, we're safely clear and can start to look up, instead of down.
a) I'm not wrong.
We have lost seven games. Bournemouth and West Ham have lost 8, Palace and Swansea have lost 9.
b) I don't count 16th as mid-table. It's pedantic, mind, and down to semantics.
A mid-table side doesn't ship 20 goals in 8 games, imo. Or, 10 goals in 5 league games, as it were.
billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
Top ten for me
No revisionism from me mate, I've been pretty consistent on this, and posted this three weeks ago:
Black Belt Jones
Player Valuation: £25m
Season's a right off but I'll be interested to see how Allardyce goes about his business. You'd bank on him sorting out the four comedians on our back line, but I guess the acid test is if he gets the rest of the side playing. We have been so very very bad that it's hard to imagine a functional midfield - is he a route one troglodyte like man-in-pub says, or can he actually get sides playing football?
Some of his reputed brass-tacks man management wouldn't go amiss. If he wants to launch his foot up the collective aris of Mirrales, Schneiderlin, Williams et al and fire them into orbit then he'll hear few complaints. I suspect he knows this so it wouldn't surprise me if we see some New Sherrif in Town-type of pronouncements on certain players.
Some of his reputed brass-tacks man management wouldn't go amiss. If he wants to launch his foot up the collective aris of Mirrales, Schneiderlin, Williams et al and fire them into orbit then he'll hear few complaints. I suspect he knows this so it wouldn't surprise me if we see some New Sherrif in Town-type of pronouncements on certain players.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Fair to say that of those who've voted so far an average position thought acceptable for us in May would be about 8th/9th?
I have to say I think that's a pretty reasonable target given we're a two points off that 9th position right now with fortuitous factors coming into play shortly for us:
It'll be interesting to hear what Allardyce says is achievable in his press conference this afternoon. If he's taking about survival we'll know he's taking the piss.
I have to say I think that's a pretty reasonable target given we're a two points off that 9th position right now with fortuitous factors coming into play shortly for us:
- Just the FA Cup as a distraction
- Four first teamers shortly back with us again
- January window to buy a striker and defenders
It'll be interesting to hear what Allardyce says is achievable in his press conference this afternoon. If he's taking about survival we'll know he's taking the piss.
PeregrineT
Player Valuation: £40m
Its 7th for me. The reality is as bad as the start was, with the current players we have, and a January window to get a CB, LB, and a genuine striker, there is enough talent on this team. 1 win this weekend potentially vaults us to 9th-10th. While there still likely leave us 8 points behind 7th, 8 points with decent managing can be made up over 23 matches.
fair enough mate!
I do believe our overall aim for the season still has to be seventh.
But, first and foremost, I want us to get out of this mire. And that means 40 points and then build from there.
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