Pienaar to give SAFA the finger?

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A South African view - note the Benny McCarthy situation...

South Africa: How Long Before Pienaar Gives Team the Finger?

Business Day (Johannesburg)

OPINION
9 January 2008
Posted to the web 9 January 2008

Mninawa Ntloko
Johannesburg

WHILE clairvoyance is hardly one of my talents, it shouldn't be too difficult to foretell that an envelope bearing an all too familiar letter could soon find its way to the South African Football Association's (Safa's) Nasrec offices.

This letter should come as no surprise to anyone as it seems it's now only a matter of time before Everton midfielder Steven Pienaar is encouraged to start thinking about giving the national soccer team the finger.


Pienaar was caught in the middle of a simmering standoff between Safa and Everton after the English side refused to release the player to Bafana Bafana at the weekend ahead of this month's African Nations Cup.

Everton manager David Moyes had told all who cared to listen that they had paid Pienaar's hefty wages and, because of this, would not release the player to Bafana on January 6 as they were required to.

"We have been on with it for weeks and months speaking to people about it and we thought a little bit of common sense would prevail," Moyes barked.

It's important to note that at that point, Moyes thought he held all the aces and would be able to play Pienaar in Everton's League Cup semifinal against Chelsea last night through what he believed to be a Fifa loophole.

The Everton manager mistakenly thought that Fifa's 14-day rule would allow Pienaar to feature last night as Bafana opening African Nations Cup match is only on January 23.

But as Fifa delightedly pointed out to the English club this week, the 14-day rule relates to the start of the Ghana tournament (in this case, January 20) and not to Bafana's first match in Ghana.

So Everton and their irate manager were forced to release the player after Fifa threatened them with fire and brimstone.

This is certainly not the end of it as irate Everton supporters are now even suggesting on the club's website that Pienaar should think about resigning from the national team.

This notorious method of avoiding the club versus country standoff was, of course, popularised by one Benni Mc-Carthy and those who pledge their allegiance to Everton reckon Pienaar would be best served following this sickening route.

Problem is the fans could merely be voicing in public what their club management has already suggested to Pienaar behind closed doors.

Unfortunately, Pienaar would find it difficult to reject such a suggestion as he is still pretty much on probation at Everton.

The poor lad is still on loan to Everton and is using the current English premiership season to convince Moyes to make his move from German club Borussia Dortmund permanent.

So all this bickering between Safa, coach Carlos Alberto Parreira and Moyes is certainly not helping Pienaar.

And even more problematic for Safa is the continuing suspicion that Parreira gave McCarthy preferential treatment by not selecting the Blackburn Rovers striker to the African Nations Cup squad. Suspicion persists that Parreira cut a deal with Blackburn manager Mark Hughes and McCarthy, and assured them when he begged the player to return from self-imposed exile last year that he would not disrupt the side's programme during the Nations Cup.

Players are not stupid and they must also be asking themselves if these widely circulating rumours are indeed true because, curiously, Parreira had maintained on several occasions last year that McCarthy was a luxury to South African football before suddenly dropping the striker on the eve of the continental tournament. Pienaar must be thinking that he, on the other hand, agreed to play in the Nations Cup and only asked for permission to arrive at a later date.

At this rate, he might need very little encouragement from Everton to quit the national team if he thinks for one minute that players are not equal in this squad and that Bafana revolves around McCarthy.

Ntloko is deputy sports editor.
 

and so he should, Pienaar is best player bafana have got without McCarthy. If he was to get injured whilst he's out there would Moyes take out that 2 Million clause? especially if it was something like cruiciates.

this little spat may cost Pienaar his place at Everton. I don't think it will but I doubt Moyes will want to deal with the **** managing South Africa again.
 
I don't think Pienaar would lose his place with everton on this basis but he might be encouraged to retire from international football. This would be a shame for him though as every player wants to play for their country. However, if he gets injured I don't think we'd go for him even though at 2mil it's a bargain!
 
I read this article this morning. I wouldn't hold it against him wanting to play for his country, but I'd like the rules changing so that his national team covered his wages, insurance and injury time wages during and post tournament.
If we are paying for him but can't use him, what is the point. Some common sense needs applying, but sadly I don't think any exists on the SAFA board. Who has a tournament that starts in January ffs. Idiots.
 

http://allafrica.com/stories/200801090372.html

A South African view - note the Benny McCarthy situation...

South Africa: How Long Before Pienaar Gives Team the Finger?

Business Day (Johannesburg)

OPINION
9 January 2008
Posted to the web 9 January 2008

Mninawa Ntloko
Johannesburg

WHILE clairvoyance is hardly one of my talents, it shouldn't be too difficult to foretell that an envelope bearing an all too familiar letter could soon find its way to the South African Football Association's (Safa's) Nasrec offices.

This letter should come as no surprise to anyone as it seems it's now only a matter of time before Everton midfielder Steven Pienaar is encouraged to start thinking about giving the national soccer team the finger.


Pienaar was caught in the middle of a simmering standoff between Safa and Everton after the English side refused to release the player to Bafana Bafana at the weekend ahead of this month's African Nations Cup.

Everton manager David Moyes had told all who cared to listen that they had paid Pienaar's hefty wages and, because of this, would not release the player to Bafana on January 6 as they were required to.

"We have been on with it for weeks and months speaking to people about it and we thought a little bit of common sense would prevail," Moyes barked.

It's important to note that at that point, Moyes thought he held all the aces and would be able to play Pienaar in Everton's League Cup semifinal against Chelsea last night through what he believed to be a Fifa loophole.

The Everton manager mistakenly thought that Fifa's 14-day rule would allow Pienaar to feature last night as Bafana opening African Nations Cup match is only on January 23.

But as Fifa delightedly pointed out to the English club this week, the 14-day rule relates to the start of the Ghana tournament (in this case, January 20) and not to Bafana's first match in Ghana.

So Everton and their irate manager were forced to release the player after Fifa threatened them with fire and brimstone.

This is certainly not the end of it as irate Everton supporters are now even suggesting on the club's website that Pienaar should think about resigning from the national team.

This notorious method of avoiding the club versus country standoff was, of course, popularised by one Benni Mc-Carthy and those who pledge their allegiance to Everton reckon Pienaar would be best served following this sickening route.

Problem is the fans could merely be voicing in public what their club management has already suggested to Pienaar behind closed doors.

Unfortunately, Pienaar would find it difficult to reject such a suggestion as he is still pretty much on probation at Everton.

The poor lad is still on loan to Everton and is using the current English premiership season to convince Moyes to make his move from German club Borussia Dortmund permanent.

So all this bickering between Safa, coach Carlos Alberto Parreira and Moyes is certainly not helping Pienaar.

And even more problematic for Safa is the continuing suspicion that Parreira gave McCarthy preferential treatment by not selecting the Blackburn Rovers striker to the African Nations Cup squad. Suspicion persists that Parreira cut a deal with Blackburn manager Mark Hughes and McCarthy, and assured them when he begged the player to return from self-imposed exile last year that he would not disrupt the side's programme during the Nations Cup.

Players are not stupid and they must also be asking themselves if these widely circulating rumours are indeed true because, curiously, Parreira had maintained on several occasions last year that McCarthy was a luxury to South African football before suddenly dropping the striker on the eve of the continental tournament. Pienaar must be thinking that he, on the other hand, agreed to play in the Nations Cup and only asked for permission to arrive at a later date.

At this rate, he might need very little encouragement from Everton to quit the national team if he thinks for one minute that players are not equal in this squad and that Bafana revolves around McCarthy.

Ntloko is deputy sports editor.

would've been nice if they mentioned the effect on morale and that, if they simply gave him a few dispensation days (meaningless in their terms), all of this antagonism could've been avoided.
 
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All it neded was a bit of common sense, a commodity which is clearly lacking at SAFA.

Spot on, RJ. Have just returned from a 3 week visit to SA, and not one of the people there with whom I discussed "soccer" had anything positive to say about SAFA. Seems that all SA fans fully expect the Bafana to be eliminated from the ACN in the group stage - which would be good for us.
 
I've wondered why Pienaar didn't tell the SAFA that he'd be a few days late due to the Chelsea match.

I mean what are they gonna do? Tell him not to show? He's one of SA's best players (believe me, after watching the USA beat SA in a friendly a few months ago, he IS one of their best players).

I think he could have had 'em over a barrel on this one and said "Here how's it's gonna be...see you on the 9th" and they could have done squat about it.
 
I've wondered why Pienaar didn't tell the SAFA that he'd be a few days late due to the Chelsea match.

I mean what are they gonna do? Tell him not to show? He's one of SA's best players (believe me, after watching the USA beat SA in a friendly a few months ago, he IS one of their best players).

I think he could have had 'em over a barrel on this one and said "Here how's it's gonna be...see you on the 9th" and they could have done squat about it.

they would have done what they did. Got FIFA involved and forced Pienaar to go over and declared him ineligible for the chelsea match.
 

At which point Pienaar says he's "retired" from SA football...

I don't see where the SAFA would have had much choice.
 
umm so piennar set off 2 days after he was told to turn up? he should have just told them, who's the bossman? I am and said see ya on the 9th, otherwise i retire...what the hell was hw thinking not to say that? I know he wants to play for his country..but lets be honest, its time the national side quit and gave up..they are crap and never will be any good with all thats going on there.
 
Agreed.

Not much the SAFA could have done and they know that to have any chance in the ANC, they're gonna need him.
 

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