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Toffee in Jandals
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Thing is, in that article, Neville may actually have a point.
I wonder if we treated the match against the RS as just another league game, perhaps our players wouldn't feel as inhibited and will actually play proper footy rather than be overawed by the occasion.
We know that a large chunk of our players over the past 15 or so years have been a bit mentally weak, wouldn't take much for many of them to be crushed by the weight of expectation in a hyped-up game where they'd be expected to perform.
Oh for a Kevin Campbell or a Duncan Ferguson in these games.
I wonder if we treated the match against the RS as just another league game, perhaps our players wouldn't feel as inhibited and will actually play proper footy rather than be overawed by the occasion.
We know that a large chunk of our players over the past 15 or so years have been a bit mentally weak, wouldn't take much for many of them to be crushed by the weight of expectation in a hyped-up game where they'd be expected to perform.
Oh for a Kevin Campbell or a Duncan Ferguson in these games.
Rodent.
What he's essentially saying is that they couldn't handle wanting to win the game, so they should have went into it as "plucky little Everton" instead and hope to nick something by treating it as "any other game".
Complete, total loser mentality, typical of a fraud of a footballer who had a career by leeching off more talented people and brown nosing those with influence. I hate him more than any RS player as he did direct damage to our club over many, many years with his "tenth is great for a club like Everton" horrible mindset.
What he's essentially saying is that they couldn't handle wanting to win the game, so they should have went into it as "plucky little Everton" instead and hope to nick something by treating it as "any other game".
Complete, total loser mentality, typical of a fraud of a footballer who had a career by leeching off more talented people and brown nosing those with influence. I hate him more than any RS player as he did direct damage to our club over many, many years with his "tenth is great for a club like Everton" horrible mindset.
Blues Harp
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Phil who ????
Toffee in Jandals
Player Valuation: £35m
.... I'm not a fan of Neville, but winning multiple PL titles at United doesn't sound like someone with a loser mentality, irrespective of the fact that clearly there were more talented individuals there. Unfortunately the "knife to a gunfight" or loser mentality as you call it, was instilled by Moyes, and Neville as his captain or "pet" as he himself calls it, bought into it as that was the mentality of the man who had taken him to the club and made him captain. Neville probably thought he owed Moyes some loyalty as a way of saying thank you.
I think Neville tried to lead by example (tackle on Ronaldo etc.) but it's a bit like someone being brought into a company and immediately earning a promotion due solely to exploits elsewhere - he'd have to do something pretty damn spectacular to earn the respect of his new colleagues.
And frankly Neville was just a very average footballer.
Yarrgh
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For me every game with Everton is big. So in a way, a game against the rs should be the same as all others.
If you look at the players with a winner's mentality, they'd be up for it every game, not just a derby. What was it that Roy Keane said about players only getting up for a game against united? Something along the lines of if they could give it all every match, they'd be playing for united.
Anyway, Phil Neville, shouldn't you be spying on the social media of your team, and not spouting off about us given that you left over 5 years ago and we've had how many managers since, and almost none of the players are left now so it's mostly irrelevant?
Sheesh, even Jamie Carragher was welcomed to Finch Farm more enthusiastically!
If you look at the players with a winner's mentality, they'd be up for it every game, not just a derby. What was it that Roy Keane said about players only getting up for a game against united? Something along the lines of if they could give it all every match, they'd be playing for united.
Anyway, Phil Neville, shouldn't you be spying on the social media of your team, and not spouting off about us given that you left over 5 years ago and we've had how many managers since, and almost none of the players are left now so it's mostly irrelevant?
Sheesh, even Jamie Carragher was welcomed to Finch Farm more enthusiastically!
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Where do you think that attitude came from? It certainly didn't come from Ferguson...
I actually think he's got a point, even if he's not really put it across very well.
We undoubtedly get caught up in the atmosphere of derbies too much, players make tackles they wouldn't normally make, they often look frightened to be on the ball because the crowd is so pumped up and screaming at them, and sometimes players look like they want to be the hero rather than just playing their normal game.
It's easier said than done obviously, but if we could just treat it like any other game I think we'd have a much better record.
We undoubtedly get caught up in the atmosphere of derbies too much, players make tackles they wouldn't normally make, they often look frightened to be on the ball because the crowd is so pumped up and screaming at them, and sometimes players look like they want to be the hero rather than just playing their normal game.
It's easier said than done obviously, but if we could just treat it like any other game I think we'd have a much better record.
Liverpool don't treat it like just another game though
They'll deny that of course, but they are always well up for it
Our issue isn't that we don't match that level of intensity
GwladysPhil
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moyes cardy
Player Valuation: £6m
Not defending Neville but a loser mentality he didn’t have, plus our derby record is better than our recent history.
They don't. Carragher in his interview for GOT highlighted how Liverpool got up for it big time and Everton were just quiet little frightened mice in the tunnel.
I believe him on that 100%.
Also, @moyes cardy - give me one example of Neville's "winning mentality" please? Because simply winning stuff because you're in a team with eight or nine legends of the modern game doesn't mean you have a winning mentality by default.
The Reverand
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I agree he looked two steps ahead of everybody else in a blue shirt - another false dawn!
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