Our Loans

[markos88]

Deulofeu very well may be back on loan again next year if Barca doesn't have a roster spot for him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Barry signs with us after his contract expires next year.

I don't think Lukaku will be back, but honestly out of the three he's probably the one I'm worried about losing the least.

I just can't agree with that. Lukaku is by far and away the more difficult of the three to replace.

 

[Aidey9]

Don't know if anyone agrees with me but people seem to be panicking over the fact that our loan signings will be parting ways at the end of the season leaving us with problems. I don't see it like that. For instance, Barry will most likely sign permanently next year on a free, Deulofeu is no way good enough for Barcelona's first team and it's in their best interests if he stays with us for one or two more years anyway. As for Lukaku, for me, at times he has been poor. His hold up play is terrible and his decision making is awful sometimes. Despite that - it's not really a criticism as he's 19-20 years old and I see that's how Mourinho views this as well and it wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea sign a galactico next season leaving us with Lukaku for one more year. Lukaku has goals in him and that's all I care about but Chelsea will want his allround play to improve with us.

The Lukaku view maybe optimistic but if he can fire us into Europe it's a great season and we apparently still have Fellaini money spare to strengthen anyway. For me, this seasons success up to now is McCarthy who has been immense and our general superb football Martinez has us playing regardless of the loanees. We would still be playing great football even if we didn't have Deulofeu and Lukaku.

Agree on a lot of what your saying. I too think Barry will sign permanently, even though he's on loan, weve invested a lot of money in him already to not want him full time IMO. And as for Deulofeu, I think he'll stay atleast another year, which is a bonus cos come next year he'll be even better!.

Lukaku is the conundrum!. I get what your saying about his touch and hold up play and expressed this in another post the other day as both right now are seriously lacking, and that's why IMO I don't think Mourinho thinks he's the answer upfront for Chelsea, not now or in another 2 years possibly?!.

Don't get me wrong, Lukaku is a beast and tbh could do with using his strength better when up against his marker, a la Didier Drogba. He certainly knows where the net is when given the ammo but I do think its his general play that is holding him back from being Chelsea's main man upfront.

But what does Chelsea and Lukaku do?. Chelsea will no doubt for me go out and buy a Rooney, Falcao, Martinez or Diego Costa or 2 next summer and be there No.1 & 2, so where does this leave Lukaku?. Chelsea will want to loan him out I would suspect, but will he want that?. Reading things about him as a person and his mentality, I think he'll want out for good as he wants to play.

And this is where I think we wont have a chance, even IF we did make the CL. They'll want atleast there money back on him and a bit more, and can we afford to go into a bidding war with clubs like Juve, who are interested, and spend so much on one player?. I don't think we can, even with CL and the extra clout that brings.

 

[Ashtonian]

I think the Lukaku question is very simple.

We, like west brom fans last year are looking for any signs of him staying at the club. We will continue to do this until he ever signs/loans to us or he plays for Chelsea come september 2nd next year.

The question really is, why would Chelsea sell a player who is 20/21 scores at least 20 goals a season and has just spent the past 2 years climatising to the league, even being first choice the previous season? There is not a hope in hell without someone fronting serious money that Lukaku will be anyone elses other than Chelsea's. They may or may not loan him again, ala Courtois (3rd year now) but realistically next year they could call apon a fantastic young keeper, a 20+ goals a season striker, a box to box midfielder (Injury free Ginkel), an exciting winger (Atsu) and a more experienced centre half (Ake) before they have spent a penny themselves.

And before anyone jumps in with Morinho doesn't like him, well he didn't like Shevchenko either and look which one left first....

 

[Eggs]

...we all know what is expected with our loanees so I don't detect much panic in our ranks. Talking to a red earlier, he mentioned it and I think its bugging our rivals more. Like the fast that top clubs are contacting us about their young stars asking if we can teach them how to play properly. Loans have never been an issue until now, funny that.

 

[mawders]

Imagine we had bought Lukaku last summer. Then we finish in the CL and then another team buys him. We would be in panic. That's pretty much the scenario if/when he returns to chelsea. Booby needs to do his best to find a like-for-like replacement. Maybe Benteke

 

[dbignall85]

TalkSport on about us now,

"Are Everton happy to be a B-team?"

As ever with Adrian Durham, fans are being provoked to call in when he says we're taking other clubs players on loan and then giving them back as better players.

Mickey Quinn also calling us a feeder club, asking how long it will be until we sell Barkley like we did with Rooney...

wonder how many fans will rise to this.

 

[EFC NY]

TalkSport on about us now,

"Are Everton happy to be a B-team?"

As ever with Adrian Durham, fans are being provoked to call in when he says we're taking other clubs players on loan and then giving them back as better players.

Mickey Quinn also calling us a feeder club, asking how long it will be until we sell Barkley like we did with Rooney...

wonder how many fans will rise to this.

If we sell Barkley, he would then be correct.

 

[Ihaters]

Agree on a lot of what your saying. I too think Barry will sign permanently, even though he's on loan, weve invested a lot of money in him already to not want him full time IMO. And as for Deulofeu, I think he'll stay atleast another year, which is a bonus cos come next year he'll be even better!.

Lukaku is the conundrum!. I get what your saying about his touch and hold up play and expressed this in another post the other day as both right now are seriously lacking, and that's why IMO I don't think Mourinho thinks he's the answer upfront for Chelsea, not now or in another 2 years possibly?!.

Don't get me wrong, Lukaku is a beast and tbh could do with using his strength better when up against his marker, a la Didier Drogba. He certainly knows where the net is when given the ammo but I do think its his general play that is holding him back from being Chelsea's main man upfront.

But what does Chelsea and Lukaku do?. Chelsea will no doubt for me go out and buy a Rooney, Falcao, Martinez or Diego Costa or 2 next summer and be there No.1 & 2, so where does this leave Lukaku?. Chelsea will want to loan him out I would suspect, but will he want that?. Reading things about him as a person and his mentality, I think he'll want out for good as he wants to play.

And this is where I think we wont have a chance, even IF we did make the CL. They'll want atleast there money back on him and a bit more, and can we afford to go into a bidding war with clubs like Juve, who are interested, and spend so much on one player?. I don't think we can, even with CL and the extra clout that brings.

I honestly think this year, and probably this year alone with the minus 13mil spent in the summer when 'funds were available already', and the TV money incoming, and the extra revenue from finishing 4th, and the sale of a few fringe players.. the answer to that could actually be yes..

 

[Eggs]

...to a certain extent most there's only Man Utd who are at the top of the food chain in this country, so we are all feeder clubs. I suspect we are all vulnerable to the likes of United, Real Madrid and Barcelona, its just a matter of whether we can resist Chelsea and Arsenal. City are a different kettle of fish, in their case money talks.

 

[El Scouse]

Let´s enjoy the ride while it lasts.

 

[Pabbers]

Its funny how now we are a big club & should be signing players, and we should not be a stepping stone for players., yet in the summer, they were selling all our players for us, saying they deserve bigger clubs.....!

 

[deipnosophist]

Not so sure.

I've said before but whilst he is an improvement on Jelavic and Kone, I'd argue that the new central midfield of Barry, McCarthy and Barkley has been far more influential on our improved style of play and ability to control the game. I like Lukaku and I'd love to keep him, but I don't think he's been as influential as people make out. There are big holes in his game and I do wonder if we'd be better off with a more technically accomplished striker.

Still, he's very good and a lot better than our other options.

Bit unfair that...we did not see enough of him to pass such judgement. Jelavic? no issues with what you say

 

[Billy Dean]

...to a certain extent most there's only Man Utd who are at the top of the food chain in this country, so we are all feeder clubs. I suspect we are all vulnerable to the likes of United, Real Madrid and Barcelona, its just a matter of whether we can resist Chelsea and Arsenal. City are a different kettle of fish, in their case money talks.

This. 100%. An RS supporting mate of mine was going on about how we're "ultimately a selling club". WTF does that even mean? That we sell our best players to a richer club if they bid? So then the only clubs in world football who are not "selling clubs" are Real and Barca.

 

[flibbyflob]

TalkSport on about us now,

"Are Everton happy to be a B-team?"

As ever with Adrian Durham, fans are being provoked to call in when he says we're taking other clubs players on loan and then giving them back as better players.

Mickey Quinn also calling us a feeder club, asking how long it will be until we sell Barkley like we did with Rooney...

wonder how many fans will rise to this.

I heard he was talking about us and promptly switched off as you knew they were just trolling.

 

[Aidey9]

I honestly think this year, and probably this year alone with the minus 13mil spent in the summer when 'funds were available already', and the TV money incoming, and the extra revenue from finishing 4th, and the sale of a few fringe players.. the answer to that could actually be yes..

Im just not sure mate. Likes of Elstone said we had money available before the sale of Felli and McCarthy wasn't dependable on his sale but it's funny how Wigan laughed off are bid for McCarthy before we sold Fellaini and then we sell Felli, make a new bid and it's totally acceptable?!.

We may of had a couple of mill which we was putting down upfront and the rest on the never never but we didn't have much more than that I doubt. It's just funny how after selling Felli we could give Wigan the deal they were after.

But we got £27.5m for Fellaini, £4m upfront for Vic, rising to £6m with performance related add ons, so really we got £31.5m plus what little we already had, £2-3m at a push possibly?. So say we had £33-34m nearly, £1.5-2m of that went to Standard as they had a percentage off any profits agreement in his deal. From what ive read weve paid in the region of £5-6m in fees and wages combined for Barry and paid £13m for McCarthy, so if we go for the top amounts, £2m to Standard, £6m on Barry & £13m for McCarthy, that adds upto £21m so take that away from the money we already had and from sales, that would leave us with either £12-13m I work it out.

p.s. - I didn't add to that the apparent £3m loan fee on Lukaku either, so we could have only £10m or less next month to spend?!.

But I think Martinez will use some of that next month, unless he gets good deals for Heitinga & Jelavic and just uses that cash, but if he sells them he'll need to bring in 4 players as he already wants to replace Kone & Gibson short term with loans by the sounds of his press conference.

So say he spends half of that, gets left with £6m or so, come the summer with more TV money, the board puts up another £10m say, and IF we did qualify for the CL, I don't think the board will put up mega bucks to spend but say he as £15m or more already and weve got CL, I think our board would only put up an extra £20-25m on top?!. I know it's some years ago but when we last made the top four, Kenwright said he would put up £25m for signings if we got through the qualifying stages and I don't think he'd change this time round, but that could possibly leave us with £40m to spend, so yeah, after all that you might be right, we could possibly be able to afford Lukaku and some more depending on how we do at the end of the season, but it's all very hypothetical right now!.