Our Board v Brightons Board. Shows where the issues lay

[Simon Buttle]

Will be extremely difficult to find better players than Caicedo Mitoma McAllister.

Also remember that before deZerbi arrived they weren’t pulling up trees under Potter. It only takes one bad managerial appointment and the whole deck of cards can collapse.

If Brighton don’t get in the top 4 then their manager will leave to test himself in the CL.

RDZ has already been in the CL in his last job mate and he is a better coach than Potter, he has gotten the same squad to basically the 3rd most effective team infront of goal in Europe when they could hardly score under Potter. Facundo Buonanotte who is another Argentine coming through to replace Mac Allister is rated as a far better prospect than Alexis ever was likewise with Yasin Ayari who was one of the most sort after young midfielders in his age group in Europe and will replace Caicedo eventually. We will just have to wait and see won't we at the end of the day.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

If you aint winning trophies or finishing in the top 4 does it really matter in the end though ?

I mean we were doing well under Moyes yet we all wanted more than just 6th/7th.

The days of Kendall & Clough building teams to win league titles and european cups are long gone.

The whole league is built to protect 6 clubs and the other 14 are happy to just get rich off the obscene TV money.

All just feels a bit pointless now.

Like it or not the Brighton model is succeeding at the moment and putting our corner shop quartet to shame.
Superior management of finances, a scouting system that can identify and acquire players at an early stage, ability to find a manager who suits their system and improves them, I mean there’s no metric in which Brighton and their board are not outperforming Everton currently.
For several seasons now Brighton have been developing upwards while we have been failing downwards.
There are many different models but if it was a straight choice between Brighton’s and Everton’s , I’d take Brightons without question.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Not sure that’s true if you have a robust structure and process in identifying up and coming players. They will have hits and misses like everyone else, but I have far more confidence in what they do than what we do. We are in a weird position because Kenwright still manages the club as youth it’s in the 80s and it’s as big as what it was. I sense there is a snobbery in that we do not need to out the hard yards in in terms of scouting like a Brentford or Brighton do which was illustrated for me by the latest scouting appointment which was another internal promotion.

It’s not an argument between whether what Brighton is doing is better than what Everton are doing. What Brighton are doing is undoubtedly miles better. The point is that financial refs makes it extrneely difficult for any club to challenge those with huge established revenues. Brighton have to be absolutely perfect to break in, and stay in, the top 4, to give themselves a chance to consistently win trophies.

Otherwise the best they can hope for is europa league which is great but eventually you make some bad recruitment or a bad managerial appointment and you’re back in the bottom half.

 

[Cameron Manning]

...Gulp I've, I've just agreed with Carlin forgive me lads. Seriously you're correct and does bring it home you have a serious side.

You never mentioned what Kenwright had done, or never done, before he got Moshiri to hand over his money and leave him in charge of a multi million pound business that he had no experience or the nous to run such a company.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Im a bit confused by this. Are you saying if we can’t win anything it doesn‘t matter if we are relegated? I was as bored as anyone with the average 6th and 7th placed finishes, but I’d take them in a heartbeat currently.

I just dont think football is worth getting angry/upset about anymore as the fix is in.

Primarily FFP but even VAR - the Rodri handball, Brighton/Spurs pen waved away - its now become WWE not genuine competition.

 

[bag a yoko]

Will be extremely difficult to find better players than Caicedo Mitoma McAllister.

Also remember that before deZerbi arrived they weren’t pulling up trees under Potter. It only takes one bad managerial appointment and the whole deck of cards can collapse.

If Brighton don’t get in the top 4 then their manager will leave to test himself in the CL.

Caicedo and Mitoma couldn't get in the team last season.
Bissouma and Cucurella were the 2 best players.

Evan Ferguson and Julio Enciso have come through even in the last quarter of a season.

When Potter left they were on fire that's why Chelsea offered him and half the coachs jobs. They were scoring a lot of goals and playing brilliantly. De Zerbi improved on that.

I agree it's not sustainable to keep changing managers and players, look at Southampton, but this season what Brighton have done has been nothing short of astonishing.

 

[Blue peter]

It’s not an argument between whether what Brighton is doing is better than what Everton are doing. What Brighton are doing is undoubtedly miles better. The point is that financial refs makes it extrneely difficult for any club to challenge those with huge established revenues. Brighton have to be absolutely perfect to break in, and stay in, the top 4, to give themselves a chance to consistently win trophies.

Otherwise the best they can hope for is europa league which is great but eventually you make some bad recruitment or a bad managerial appointment and you’re back in the bottom half.

Yeah sorry my response to your point was more about their ability to find better players than than three you mentioned. The top 4 can be broken into as Leicester showed, but with Newcastle now in the mix I agree it will be incredibly difficult for any team outside that top 7 (which I think it is now).

 

[magicjuan]

Yeah leap too far, same Moyes going to United

For all that's holy don't agree with me, I'll lose the last of my credibility

 

[Toffeepot]

Whilst I agree with you I think its too early to be labelling Brighton as some beacon of success that we must follow. Under Wee Davey/Kenwright we were doing the exact same as what Brighton have been doing but over a longer period of time due to being skint.

Brighton have had 2x seasons in the top 10 - under Moshiri's tenure we've had 3x. You also have to acknowledge you always get a small club punch above their weight for a few years - Swansea and Watford did similiar a couple of years back.

They'll be back in midtable within 2-3 seasons like WHU, Wolves, Leicester, Villa, Brentford etc who chase their tales underneath the glass ceiling of the scab 6 + oil Newcastle.

@Saint Domingo

I'm going to presume you haven't watched Brighton play and haven't seen the replacements they already have in place for the players that will likely command big fees. They aren't punching above their weight, they are going up in weight class, and doing it with profit

 

[Billy Dean]

It’s not an argument between whether what Brighton is doing is better than what Everton are doing. What Brighton are doing is undoubtedly miles better. The point is that financial refs makes it extrneely difficult for any club to challenge those with huge established revenues. Brighton have to be absolutely perfect to break in, and stay in, the top 4, to give themselves a chance to consistently win trophies.

Otherwise the best they can hope for is europa league which is great but eventually you make some bad recruitment or a bad managerial appointment and you’re back in the bottom half.

Is Brighton’s ambition to be a consistent top 4 club though? That’s very difficult for a club like Brighton no matter how well they do things. In all fairness I wouldn’t bet against them finishing 5th this season

 

[Saint Domingo]

Is Brighton’s ambition to be a consistent top 4 club though? That’s very difficult for a club like Brighton no matter how well they do things. In all fairness I wouldn’t bet against them finishing 5th this season

Should be the ambition of every team in the premier league to try and win it. What are we all doing otherwise? Existing to be a feeder club to six other clubs who can win stuff but as long as we’re playing decent footy and occasionally getting europe everyone is ok with that?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I'm going to presume you haven't watched Brighton play and haven't seen the replacements they already have in place for the players that will likely command big fees. They aren't punching above their weight, they are going up in weight class, and doing it with profit

Swansea did exactly what Brighton are doing now.

Appointed a succession of managers based on a philosophy (Rodgers, Laudrup) signed good players on the cheap who made big impacts and even won a trophy in the process.

Ultimately Brighton will end fall away the same way in the end - maybe not as quick as Swansea but no club outside the scab 6 has managed to continue improving and break the monopoly.

Everton couldn't

Leicester did for 1 season when every top side bar a bottling Spurs were in transition

WHU haven't

Wolves haven't

Villa will try but end up in the same FFP position we are if they are to keep investing in players like Digne & Carlos and have to sell Watkins etc and likely fall away

 

[Mr Happy]

Whilst I agree with you I think its too early to be labelling Brighton as some beacon of success that we must follow. Under Wee Davey/Kenwright we were doing the exact same as what Brighton have been doing but over a longer period of time due to being skint.

Brighton have had 2x seasons in the top 10 - under Moshiri's tenure we've had 3x. You also have to acknowledge you always get a small club punch above their weight for a few years - Swansea and Watford did similiar a couple of years back.

They'll be back in midtable within 2-3 seasons like WHU, Wolves, Leicester, Villa, Brentford etc who chase their tales underneath the glass ceiling of the scab 6 + oil Newcastle.

@Saint Domingo

Absolutely beacon of success. Not even up for debate

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

It’s not an argument between whether what Brighton is doing is better than what Everton are doing. What Brighton are doing is undoubtedly miles better. The point is that financial refs makes it extrneely difficult for any club to challenge those with huge established revenues. Brighton have to be absolutely perfect to break in, and stay in, the top 4, to give themselves a chance to consistently win trophies.

Otherwise the best they can hope for is europa league which is great but eventually you make some bad recruitment or a bad managerial appointment and you’re back in the bottom half.

Its not really about whether they are able to break in to the top four, its more that they have created and supported an identity that emphasises playing entertaining, progressive football.
Of course they could have a poor season, they probably will at some point, but the evidence at the moment is that they have a structure and strategy that is robust enough to be able to correct this.
They may never win a trophy or break into the top four but if they continue to aspire to play good football they have a greater chance of success than those whose strategy is just to survive for another season on the PL gravy train.
Their strategy at least fosters hope whereas our lack of any discernible strategy engenders only despair.

 

[PhilEFC]

We only have 4 on the board. FM is not a director.

Hmm, I wonder why he left?