2017/18 Oumar Niasse

[chrismpw]

Happy, delighted, elated for cheating to be stamped out. Ironic that it has to he Everton, one of the cleanest clubs in history (until recently) that has to he the first to suffer the ignominy of being set the example. Let's just hope it's now applied consistently to ALL clubs.

Another Everton first I guess.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Inconsistency is and always will be driven by a bias media. These self proclaimed expert pundits have too much influence and power. They cherry pick offences according to their self righteous opinion and turn a blind eye to rule breaking by their favorites.

I wouldn't have a problem if it was consistent. This was a horrible example to use. There was contact regardless of the exaggeration, and he would not have been able to stay on his feet without doing a 360. He was impeded.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I guess this is where we might have to agree to disagree.

Ignore every other player and dive in the world and for a moment only consider Niasse vs Dann.

For me, the lad sees it coming and starfishes to the floor in a completely unnatural manner. In the moment I thought it was a dive, and after seeing it a million times more I believe it was a dive.

If simply having any contact is enough to go down, then every player in the box every time there is a free kick or corner would just floor themselves.

Of course everyone is allowed his or her opinion on the matter. As for the last sentence I don't feel this can be judged in the same context as corners and free kicks where you have jostling and contact to start with, it is harder to calculate the forces required to knock someone down while they are running for the ball.

 

[St James the Less]

Surely someone on this Forum is able to compile a video list of "Unpunished Simulation". Not me though - my Amstrad PC isnt powerful enough!

 

[Barnfred 55]

This is the key bit for me brother

I don't think it was a penalty but it definitely wasn't a dive either. It was a poor decision by the ref who gave a penalty for a trip that didn't occur. But there was upper body contact between the two players (not enough in my opinion to be considered a foul) and when you're running at pace you don't need much contact to lose balance. Yes he probably went down a bit too easy but since when has that been a 2 game ban?

Just because it isn't a penalty doesn't automatically make it a dive. Just because the ref made a mistake doesn't automatically make Niasse a cheat. I really hope the adjudication panel don't try to cover up the referees error by wrongfully finding Niasse guilty of simulation. That would be wrong but sadly very predictable. I'm hoping the panel find in his favour as they did with Richarlison, which was more dubious I thought.

I don't buy into conspiracy theories that everyone's against us either. That's just victim mentality which is a very dangerous place to go. These things tend to even themselves out over time. At the moment we can consider ourselves the beneficiary of a refereeing decision that helped us get a point at the weekend. Other calls will go for and against us.

The other aspect in this I don't understand is how can the punishment be any different to what is handed out on the pitch. If the referee spots simulation the punishment is a yellow card. If found guilty Niasse should therefore receive a retrospective yellow card. If the FA are going to award retrospective bans they have to make simulation a sending off offence too.

The FA is having a mare here IMO. I hate diving and want it to be eradicated from the game, but this isn't the right way to go about it.

 

[Abraders]

Of course everyone is allowed his or her opinion on the matter. As for the last sentence I don't feel this can be judged in the same context as corners and free kicks where you have jostling and contact to start with, it is harder to calculate the forces required to knock someone down while they are running for the ball.

True say, but then the sentence people are using to defend the contact needs to include 'when running at pace' otherwise it's the same as what I've said sorta thing

 

[Abraders]

I don't think it was a penalty but it definitely wasn't a dive either. It was a poor decision by the ref who gave a penalty for a trip that didn't occur. But there was upper body contact between the two players (not enough in my opinion to be considered a foul) and when you're running at pace you don't need much contact to lose balance. Yes he probably went down a bit too easy but since when has that been a 2 game ban?

Just because it isn't a penalty doesn't automatically make it a dive. Just because the ref made a mistake doesn't automatically make Niasse a cheat. I really hope the adjudication panel don't try to cover up the referees error by wrongfully finding Niasse guilty of simulation. That would be wrong but sadly very predictable. I'm hoping the panel find in his favour as they did with Richarlison, which was more dubious I thought.

I don't buy into conspiracy theories that everyone's against us either. That's just victim mentality which is a very dangerous place to go. These things tend to even themselves out over time. At the moment we can consider ourselves the beneficiary of a refereeing decision that helped us get a point at the weekend. Other calls will go for and against us.

The other aspect in this I don't understand is how can the punishment be any different to what is handed out on the pitch. If the referee spots simulation the punishment is a yellow card. If found guilty Niasse should therefore receive a retrospective yellow card. If the FA are going to award retrospective bans they have to make simulation a sending off offence too.

The FA is having a mare here IMO. I hate diving and want it to be eradicated from the game, but this isn't the right way to go about it.

This is the first time the panel have indeed agreed that the scenario is in fact a dive and therefore will be banned, Everton have a chance to appeal.

The other scenarios mentioned were not deemed to be dives by this panel.

Have to say, that richarlison 'dive' was 100x less of a dive and involved much more contact that Niasse scenario.

Do agree it's not the best way to deal with things though

 

[Papa Shango]

I don't agree it was a dive, but your second point is correct. Why Us? what about all the 100s of dives and lovely rolling around performances from the Sterling, Sanchez type players.

Of course it was a dive. It worries me that so many of our fans are saying it wasn't and throwing the old "contact was made" chestnut in there.

I am all for him getting punished for it IF the same rules are applied to everybody else which of course will not be the case.

 

[streeky]

If he is banned i suppose the next question is how long ???? 4 games to the derby any takers on what he will get. Everton isn't it.

 

[Zeke]

I have no problem at all with the ban if they 'prove' Oumar dived. What i have a problem with is all retrospective bans of any kind, because they never benefit the team that the offence happens too they only benefit the clubs that you play after said offence.

Just makes me want video replays more than ever and correct action taken at said time of offence. Give the refs as much help as possible because some of them really need it.

 

[streeky]

8 months ago we would all be having a good old laugh at this, how things change, LEAVE OUR PRINCE ALONE.

 

[Lanolin]

I guess this is where we might have to agree to disagree.

Ignore every other player and dive in the world and for a moment only consider Niasse vs Dann.

For me, the lad sees it coming and starfishes to the floor in a completely unnatural manner. In the moment I thought it was a dive, and after seeing it a million times more I believe it was a dive.

If simply having any contact is enough to go down, then every player in the box every time there is a free kick or corner would just floor themselves.

See I think it was an over the top reaction (and quite embarrassing really) but it's very difficult to punish somebody when there has been contact - particularly when they haven't initiated it as many players do.

A mate of mine is a rugby player - at the highest level - who regularly runs through crunching hits from 18 stone meatheads no problem. I spoke to him after a big game once and he was telling me how he'd been livid with himself because he thought he'd lost his balance while running and ruined a chance for a try, it was only when he apologised to the team afterwards that one of the coaches informed him he'd actually been tackled. Just a little ankle tap that he hadn't even felt had sent him tumbling to the floor. On that basis I don't see how a panel can decide whether or not a player should have gone down when they have been touched.

 

[Khalekan]

Beattie. We used to call him fat and lazy to be precise.

Conversely Marcus Bent was routinely lauded for his work rate. Bolassie too has drawn praise for his effort and work rate. Similarly Gueye. So has DCL.

Del was called “lazy”.

So was Pat Nevin even before that horrible barsteward broke him.

Big Bob was routinely called “lazy”.

As was the mercurial Duncan McMagic.

Has anyone ever seen a player suit the term “lazy” more than Schneiderlin this season?

John Oster, Bilyetinov, even the revered John Connolly never avoided the label.

Among many, many others.

Regarding Lukaku, I would never call him “lazy”.

But I tell you this much.

If Rom had been sold that dummy by the Palace goalie on Saturday hw would have looked up at the sky then started ambling back......he would not have sprinted back into an onside position the way Oumar did, ready to pounce on the chance created by another “lazy” black player, Gana

The term “lazy” as applied to Everton players by Everton supporters has been bandied around in a completely color blind fashion, don’t worry ‘bout that, no sir

 

[APN_EFC]

OK so nobody can agree if it's a dive or not.
most importantly though, it seems like it's totally inconsistent, that other teams are exempt from this punishment, and that corrupt FA are being influenced by the fake news media like MOTD pundits, whom I normally like.
And worst still, my post looks like a trump tweet..Arrrgh. What are you doing to me Everton?

 

[Joey66]

OK so nobody can agree if it's a dive or not.
most importantly though, it seems like it's totally inconsistent, that other teams are exempt from this punishment, and that corrupt FA are being influenced by the fake news media like MOTD pundits, whom I normally like.
And worst still, my post looks like a trump tweet..Arrrgh. What are you doing to me Everton?

Could he not just plead he was still looking for his locker and fell over?