2019/20 Oumar Niasse

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MarcelsGoat said:
It scares me that some fans actually think we havent spent any money.

How can I share a planet with people so stupid?
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What are you talking about, brains?

Who has said we haven't spent any money?

I stated that I'd like to see a bit of investment in the playing squad, rather than just spending Evertons money on the playing squad, which without doubt has been the main contributor and represents by far the lions share of our expenditure on the playing squad throughout the Moshiri era.

Einstein.
 
Frank. said:
not saying hes a fraud..

since hes been here , he's spent 55m a season.
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Is that even accurate?

The little table being referred to has United's net spend as 75 million per season over the past five years, this doesn't mean the Glazers are putting 75 million pound into the transfer fund each season. It means that Manchester United have spent an additional 75 million above the sum total they have received from selling players. That 75 million will have come from all sorts of different revenue sources, but it hasn't come from the Glazer's pockets.

The little table also refers to the last five seasons, when Moshiri only came on the scene in March 2016, and has only had four summer transfer windows at Everton. So it includes expenditure from Everton's coffers prior to Moshiri's arrival.

Moshiri has invested in the playing squad, and the 15 million pound a year USM deal which comes from a company with annual revenues in excess of five billion pound a year (lol) clearly play a role in elevating Everton's revenues, as have our other improvements in commercial revenue generation.

But to act like it's all coming out of Moshiri's pocket is disingenuous when the vast majority of club expenditure is coming from club money.

It's not even a dig at Moshiri either, it's just a simple matter of fact that the squad needs further investment if it is to progress beyond the midtable finishes that have been commonplace for Everton Football Club for at least the last decade.
 
Dymak said:
Is that even accurate?

The little table being referred to has United's net spend as 75 million per season over the past five years, this doesn't mean the Glazers are putting 75 million pound into the transfer fund each season. It means that Manchester United have spent an additional 75 million above the sum total they have received from selling players. That 75 million will have come from all sorts of different revenue sources, but it hasn't come from the Glazer's pockets.

The little table also refers to the last five seasons, when Moshiri only came on the scene in March 2016, and has only had four summer transfer windows at Everton. So it includes expenditure from Everton's coffers prior to Moshiri's arrival.

Moshiri has invested in the playing squad, and the 15 million pound a year USM deal which comes from a company with annual revenues in excess of five billion pound a year (lol) clearly play a role in elevating Everton's revenues, as have our other improvements in commercial revenue generation.

But to act like it's all coming out of Moshiri's pocket is disingenuous when the vast majority of club expenditure is coming from club money.

It's not even a dig at Moshiri either, it's just a simple matter of fact that the squad needs further investment if it is to progress beyond the midtable finishes that have been commonplace for Everton Football Club for at least the last decade.
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but but , Moshiri was seen at west derby cash machine getting another 150m out of his Mr F. barry Moshiri personal account to throw into wipe the clubs debts out..
 
Dymak said:
What are you talking about, brains?

Who has said we haven't spent any money?

I stated that I'd like to see a bit of investment in the playing squad, rather than just spending Evertons money on the playing squad, which without doubt has been the main contributor and represents by far the lions share of our expenditure on the playing squad throughout the Moshiri era.

Einstein.
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Im saying you and people like only have the mental capacity to walk around and talk about net spend.
 
evertonarntwe said:
so many things wrong with this,

firstly- football isn't a job until retirement age so he's allowed to sit on his arse for £70k a week, nonsense, you will retire from football in your mid thirties a multi multi millionaire and set for life at his current wages, so crying poverty once he retires would only be because he has wasted all his money, he literally would never need to work again.

he is in right to see out his contract as you say we were stupid enough to give him one, but when people like Ashley Williams and yannick bolasie, mirallas etc etc are getting called leeches for not moving on but someone this absolute cart horse is lauded as some sort of icon is baffling, he's any bit as bad as the others mentioned

lastly, how has he shown nothing but class? I mean he's not kicked off which he could have but only massive bellwhiffs kick off anyway, he's just got his head down and continued training for the pleasure of £70k a week.

nothing against the lad what so ever, however the way he's made out by some is madness, utterly horrific player
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He has moved out on loan every season bar this one. It's not like he has refused to go out and play (same as the other players you listed)

This happens in every club all over the world. Why are we so precious about our players. It's just one of those things.
 
MarcelsGoat said:
Im saying you and people like only have the mental capacity to walk around and talk about net spend.
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Really? Because it's you that keeps conflating 'we' with 'he' and then brought up a table of net spend to underline your point.

He's actually invested into the club, something most people acknowledge Kenwright never did, but people have never classed the circa 20 million pound Kenwright paid (borrowed) to obtain shares from Johnson as investment into the club. Whereas some people seem insistent on including the money Moshiri used to purchase the club as investment.

They also seem to act like his restructuring of our debt in the form of a loan during his acquisition of the club was some kind of benevolent act. Those more learned in mergers and acquisitions than I am will be able to state whether that's the case or not, but I'll take a guess and state that the practice is commonplace, or at least not unusual. Happy to be corrected if needs be.

Either way, his acquisition costs in the purchase of a club like Everton have been relatively small by Premier League standards, but of course there is the stadium issue to consider with that.

One of his 5 billion pound a year companies is now pumping in 15 million pound a year in the pseudo-sponsorship of Finch Farm, which is then classed as club money when it's really bona fide investment. So I'm certainly not saying that he hasn't invested, and I'm certainly not saying 'we' haven't spent any money.

But Premier League clubs are currently able to spend fortunes off the back of club money right now, and the lions share of Evertons expenditure is being facilitated by club money. There was a lack of investment in the playing squad this summer, and I think such investment (not just spending club money) is required if we are ever to progress beyond the status quo.
 
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Dymak said:
Really? Because it's you that keeps conflating 'we' with 'he' and then brought up a table of net spend to underline your point.

He's actually invested into the club, something most people acknowledge Kenwright never did, but people have never classed the circa 20 million pound Kenwright paid (borrowed) to obtain shares from Johnson as investment into the club. Whereas some people seem insistent on including the money Moshiri used to purchase the club as investment.

They also seem to act like his restructuring of our debt in the form of a loan during his acquisition of the club was some kind of benevolent act. Those more learned in mergers and acquisitions than I am will be able to state whether that's the case or not, but I'll take a guess and state that the practice is commonplace, or at least not unusual. Happy to be corrected if needs be.

Either way, his acquisition costs in the purchase of a club like Everton have been relatively small by Premier League standards, but of course there is the stadium issue to consider with that.

One of his 5 billion pound a year companies is now pumping in 15 million pound a year in the pseudo-sponsorship of Finch Farm, which is then classed as club money when it's really bona fide investment. So I'm certainly not saying that he hasn't invested, and I'm certainly not saying 'we' haven't spent any money.

But Premier League clubs are currently able to spend fortunes off the back of club money right now, and the lions share of Evertons expenditure is being facilitated by club money. There was a lack of investment in the playing squad this summer, and I think such investment (not just spending club money) is required if we are ever to progress beyond the status quo.
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This in spades..

This is bang on the money.

I think the stadium has been scaled back as a money saving exercise too, thinking logically, 52,000 seats is nowhere near enough if we are going to be a progressive club.
 
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