Oscar Pistorius trial discussion

[Kurt.]

My example for me mate is the falconio case in the outback , it was so clearly a complete load of rubbish and it was nailed on his girlfriend Joanne lees had killed him except the bloke (who everyone thought she'd made up) was located , arrested, charged and convicted.

I think pistorious is guilty personally & I think the convenience of certain parts of his story adds to my opinion but like others have said that's why we have courts and trust me it sometimes takes the trial for the facts to get out there.

A hot poker to the eyes also has a knack of outing the truth i believe.

 

[Brennan]

My example for me mate is the falconio case in the outback , it was so clearly a complete load of rubbish and it was nailed on his girlfriend Joanne lees had killed him except the bloke (who everyone thought she'd made up) was located , arrested, charged and convicted.

I think pistorious is guilty personally & I think the convenience of certain parts of his story adds to my opinion but like others have said that's why we have courts and trust me it sometimes takes the trial for the facts to get out there.

Excellent example...

 

[bluejock]

Say what? no need for that kind of language

You finished your statement with -fact.

I've skipped the neccessity of examining any evidence and have decided that you're Rafael Benitez.

 

[bignev23]

Excellent example...

The big difference being Oscar has admitted killing her though.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You finished your statement with -fact.

I've skipped the neccessity of examining any evidence and have decided that you're Rafael Benitez.

So the evidence of the gun, the dead girlfriend in the toilet, the fact he admitted firing it, aren't facts then?

Pardon me for jumping to conclusions here, I thought he'd shot a woman in the head. Apologies if this is unproven.......

 

[sheeds]

The big difference being Oscar has admitted killing her though.

I know what your saying but he's suggested a set of circumstances that led to her death that effectively exonerate him of 'murder', opinions on those actions anyway aside. Lees provided circumstances that were rubbished by 'experts' at the time and she also seemed casual, relaxed and dressed inappropriately but it transpired that her set of circumstances although unlikely where actually true. Thats where I've got the comparison from mate.

 

[Brennan]

I know what your saying but he's suggested a set of circumstances that led to her death that effectively exonerate him of 'murder', opinions on those actions anyway aside. Lees provided circumstances that were rubbished by 'experts' at the time and she also seemed casual, relaxed and dressed inappropriately but it transpired that her set of circumstances although unlikely where actually true. Thats where I've got the comparison from mate.

Exactly !

Everybody thought she was guilty as sin, but she wasn't.

The circumstances of the death aren't the point Nev, it's that people are too eager to jump to conclusions based on evidence from a bail hearing and the media. A few days ago the media and Botha were saying he attacked her with a cricket bat before killing her, which turned out to be bullshine.

 

[bignev23]

I know what your saying but he's suggested a set of circumstances that led to her death that effectively exonerate him of 'murder', opinions on those actions anyway aside. Lees provided circumstances that were rubbished by 'experts' at the time and she also seemed casual, relaxed and dressed inappropriately but it transpired that her set of circumstances although unlikely where actually true. Thats where I've got the comparison from mate.

True mate and Im sure there are many instances where innocent people are convicted because the prosecution presents a believable story which is not actually the facts.
I don't actually think everybody had her down as guilty though, more that was more of a mystery about it and she could have done it.

 

[Kurt.]

Exactly !

Everybody thought she was guilty as sin, but she wasn't.

The circumstances of the death aren't the point Nev, it's that people are too eager to jump to conclusions based on evidence from a bail hearing and the media. A few days ago the media and Botha were saying he attacked her with a cricket bat before killing her, which turned out to be bullshine.

But he has killed her...that's undeniable.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Exactly !

Everybody thought she was guilty as sin, but she wasn't.

The circumstances of the death aren't the point Nev, it's that people are too eager to jump to conclusions based on evidence from a bail hearing and the media. A few days ago the media and Botha were saying he attacked her with a cricket bat before killing her, which turned out to be bullshine.

This case is very different to the Lees one, albeit I accept the point being made.

In this case it's a simple case of do you believe the story being told by the man who killed his girlfriend? It's really that simple.

Based on what information is out there, the story as far as I am concerned is absolute bs. I highly doubt that anything will appear in the coming months that will alter my opinion on that. I don't believe a word of it.

So whilst the man deserves a full trial to prove his guilt & he'll of course receive one. MY OPINION, is that he's guilty as sin. Seeing as I'm not the man that will be sentencing him, that opinion has no consequence.

What I do find appauling though, is the fact that he's been bailed, & despite your arguments to the contrary that's only happened due to his status & wallet size.

 

[Brennan]

But he has killed her...that's undeniable.

PING !

 

[bignev23]

Exactly !

Everybody thought she was guilty as sin, but she wasn't.

The circumstances of the death aren't the point Nev, it's that people are too eager to jump to conclusions based on evidence from a bail hearing and the media. A few days ago the media and Botha were saying he attacked her with a cricket bat before killing her, which turned out to be bullshine.

yes im sure the media don't help in all this and thats how im forming my opinion.Good point about the cricket bat. Don't believe everything you read or hear i suppose. Its only our opinions anyway not like it matters to the trial but Im not convinced by his story yet.

 

[sheeds]

yes im sure the media don't help in all this and thats how im forming my opinion.Good point about the cricket bat. Don't believe everything you read or hear i suppose. Its only our opinions anyway not like it matters to the trial but Im not convinced by his story yet.

Neither am I mate , it just doesn't feel right added to by when asked about why he didn't notice she wasn't there he stated they'd changed sides now That could be true but added to the rest it just feels a bit 'unlikely' .

I think he's probably guilty but we don't know , trust me the power is often in the delivery of the witness. A witness telling the truth often shines like a light but it's very hard to present that nor an unreliable witness in a newspaper report.

I actually agree with the majority of posters in this thread , in that I think he's guilty but I think it's too early for judgements and lets see what a court has to say and what evidence is presented.

By the way I keep hearing about bail being unusual , now i stand by to be shot down but I'm not convinced it is that unusual to be honest . It was never granted under apartheid for anything and when it changed I think the system looked to grant it then maybe looked at more changes due to increased crime. Although far from a right i think it's not as unusual as they seem to be saying .

 

[bignev23]

Neither am I mate , it just doesn't feel right added to by when asked about why he didn't notice she wasn't there he stated they'd changed sides now That could be true but added to the rest it just feels a bit 'unlikely' .

I think he's probably guilty but we don't know , trust me the power is often in the delivery of the witness. A witness telling the truth often shines like a light but it's very hard to present that nor an unreliable witness in a newspaper report.

I actually agree with the majority of posters in this thread , in that I think he's guilty but I think it's too early for judgements and lets see what a court has to say and what evidence is presented.

Couldn't agree more, if its not a corrupt trial justice should be done.

 

[Brennan]

This case is very different to the Lees one, albeit I accept the point being made.

In this case it's a simple case of do you believe the story being told by the man who killed his girlfriend? It's really that simple.

Based on what information is out there, the story as far as I am concerned is absolute bs. I highly doubt that anything will appear in the coming months that will alter my opinion on that. I don't believe a word of it.

So whilst the man deserves a full trial to prove his guilt & he'll of course receive one. MY OPINION, is that he's guilty as sin. Seeing as I'm not the man that will be sentencing him, that opinion has no consequence.

What I do find appauling though, is the fact that he's been bailed, & despite your arguments to the contrary that's only happened due to his status & wallet size.

That's just not true though. The only 'evidence' you have that has led you to that conclusion is that because he's white and rich living in South Africa everything must go his way. The magistrate was black and his reasons for granting bail are perfectly reasonable when you look at the circumstances.