Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Pot noodle then ?
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Pot noodle then ?
Charlie Sweet
Player Valuation: £35m
No buddy. It's breakfast, lunch and dinner (or supper if it's after 7pm).
But I agree 100% with the rest you'e
said. Okay we're safe. Big shakes. Now play a more attacking style Sam or get out of town.
In a nutshell. Great thanks to him for what he has done now lets see if you can play better expansive football and if not it's a simple thanks Sam we can now build on what you put in place and get someone else in. Think the majority agree with that.
I agree with this. My argument is with those in this thread calling for his head and bemoaning the lack of attacking football. The guy has had nowhere near enough time to make the team his own and judging it as his Everton is really not fair without the bare minimum of a full pre-season and summer transfer window.
There are always going to be hiccups along the way when new ways of doing things are implemented and maybe Allardyce doesn't feel the squad are yet confident or mentally tough enough to cope with even minor wobbles during what is quite a congested period of fixtures. They do have a track record of crumbling under the last two bosses.
Entirely hypothetical question but would you still hold this opinion if the football improved to a decent level during the final third of the season?
I completely understand why people can't envision this given Allardyce's track record but this is probably the first job he's had where there may not be a constant sense of the rug being pulled from underneath him with regards to transfers, money and keeping hold of players - another arguable point I concede.
It's naive on my part but I'm hoping this can be Big Sam's final two-fingers up to the naysayers and he can prove what he's often said that given the resources he can put together a football team as well as anyone else. Hopelessly optimistic but he's the Everton boss and I want him to do incredibly well in that job.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
No. I'd move with the facts. If the fact of the matter in May are that we've seen a second half of the season where we were solid AND trying to play attacking football at the right time against the right teams (it's obviously not on to go for it against Spurs or City, for example) then I'd hope Allardyce could stay on and see out another season.
But as things stand - and as experience of this manager tells us prior to him reaching Everton - the facts suggest that duality is beyond him.
And therein lies your problem with Sam.
His reputation preceded him.......and Baggies has confirmed in many people's minds what their gut was telling them before that game.
That no matter who he has at his disposal and no matter who we are playing, it is all about not losing rather than winning.
These same people are fearful of what type of player we see brought in next month.
I am still giving him the benefit and will continue to do so until the spring at the earliest in the hope I will see more attacking intent.
In the meantime it is what it is but I will not be going out my way to watch the Bournemouth game as I am expecting Baggies revisited.
And that was just unwatchable.
(and I only caught the second half
)
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Apples and pears.
One is a description of a meal which hints at pretence to upward mobility; the other just describes two things as one.
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Err, what you mean is :-
... the other describes two things as one in an attempt to appear upwardly mobile
Oh, and I might be upwardly mobile for all you know. Looks can be deceptive !
*pours gravy over Sam's chips
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Nope, it's just having a reasonable vocabulary...even poor people can acquire one.Err, what you mean is :-
... the other describes two things as one in an attempt to appear upwardly mobile
Oh, and I might be upwardly mobile for all you know. Looks can be deceptive !
*pours gravy over Sam's chips
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
royvernon39
Player Valuation: £10m
There is a big troll at play on this thread.
A month ago the team was right deep in the relegation struggle. New bloke comes in. Accumulates points. No losses.
Lots of effort and good discipline plus lots of luck.
So, for some people instead of praising the turn-around they criticize it on aesthetic grounds. My advice to them is to tune into La Liga and watch Messi or catch a City game. Big Sam is rebuilding the house and there's going to be lots of workmen coming and going for a while plus the inevitable dust and moaning at how long its all taking.
A month ago the team was right deep in the relegation struggle. New bloke comes in. Accumulates points. No losses.
Lots of effort and good discipline plus lots of luck.
So, for some people instead of praising the turn-around they criticize it on aesthetic grounds. My advice to them is to tune into La Liga and watch Messi or catch a City game. Big Sam is rebuilding the house and there's going to be lots of workmen coming and going for a while plus the inevitable dust and moaning at how long its all taking.
allezlesbleus
Player Valuation: £35m
There's definitely a lot of marmite about Allardyce as a manager. I was not looking forward to him coming in but acknowledge we were going nowhere under Koeman and really needed the dose of organisation and experience as a fire fighter which he has brought. Good on him for that. But I just can't agree that the negative approach we saw at West Brom is acceptable for the full 90 minutes with virtually no attempt to win the game or press up the pitch or force them into errors. We were playing with fire allowing so many crosses etc. because we seemed only interested in protecting territory not even winning the ball much.
I took his point in the post match about him not giving instructions to do poor passing. Fair enough, players make mistakes too and many of them were passing pretty poorly throughout. But West Brom are on such a terrible run a decent approach would surely have been to at least attack decently for 15 minutes or so in each half and then if that produced a goal protect it a bit and pinch a second as they become more desperate in attack. 5 defenders in a row against Rondon....come on lads. People paid a fair few bob and travelled from afar on Boxing Day, a little bit of entertainment and a decent effort to actually win the game is not too much to ask.
Not asking for his head though...just want a bit more attacking and less welly to a young striker from about 50 yards away who is not that brilliant in the air any way and in that set up does not have many team mates nearby to pass to.
I took his point in the post match about him not giving instructions to do poor passing. Fair enough, players make mistakes too and many of them were passing pretty poorly throughout. But West Brom are on such a terrible run a decent approach would surely have been to at least attack decently for 15 minutes or so in each half and then if that produced a goal protect it a bit and pinch a second as they become more desperate in attack. 5 defenders in a row against Rondon....come on lads. People paid a fair few bob and travelled from afar on Boxing Day, a little bit of entertainment and a decent effort to actually win the game is not too much to ask.
Not asking for his head though...just want a bit more attacking and less welly to a young striker from about 50 yards away who is not that brilliant in the air any way and in that set up does not have many team mates nearby to pass to.
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