Nick Clegg V Nigel Farage.

[Bruce Wayne]

The areas of London where immigration from poor countries is high are some of he worst areas in England. Just because London as a whole is doing well, like in the city, Chelsea and because it's where the government is based doesn't mean for one second it's because of immigration. To suggest so is just stupid.

Are you basing that on any kind of facts or just your personal opinion (again)?

 

[EFCNIK]

Are you basing that on any kind of facts or just your personal opinion (again)?

Areas where there is high immigration from poorer or third world countries are places that 99.9% of the time you wouldn't want to bring your kids up. Personal opinion and fact.

Places where there are a lot of foreign people who have been brought in for their skills such as doctors and scientists etc you probably would.

 

[bluemangroup]

Areas where there is high immigration from poorer or third world countries are places that 99.9% of the time you wouldn't want to bring your kids up. Personal opinion and fact.

Places where there are a lot of foreign people who have been brought in for their skills such as doctors and scientists etc you probably would.

Where is the fact in that?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I live in the borough with the largest black population in London. It's far from the area you describe, and I'd feel much happier raising a child here than I would in Luton, or indeed anywhere else where people are judged according to their nationality (or other identity based factor) rather than their personality.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Where is the fact in that?

Indeed. Here's the figures from the latest census

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

or maybe this http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/key-facts/overview-of-london-boroughs/

all of which ignores of course the comparable school performance of immigrants, or their relative contribution to the UK economy.

 

[Brennan]

Nik posts stuff as 'fact' and then when pulled up on it doesn't back it up.

I asked him to show the proof of Germans not teaching the Holocaust and he never did.

 

[bluemangroup]

Indeed. Here's the figures from the latest census

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London

or maybe this http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/key-facts/overview-of-london-boroughs/

all of which ignores of course the comparable school performance of immigrants, or their relative contribution to the UK economy.

I think that is more the point really. Its low income areas rather than areas of ethnic diversity or immigrant communites that are undesirable or "unsafe".

 

[Del]

Nik posts stuff as 'fact' and then when pulled up on it doesn't back it up.

I asked him to show the proof of Germans not teaching the Holocaust and he never did.

New to Nik mate

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I think that is more the point really. Its low income areas rather than areas of ethnic diversity or immigrant communites that are undesirable or "unsafe".

All relative though isn't it? I mean I live in Elephant & Castle, and if you want to buy one of the new flats springing up around the place, you'll do incredibly well to find one for less than £300,000.

Even in this relatively poor part of town, within 30 minutes walk you've got three decent parks, two universities, two hospitals, the imperial war museum, Ministry of Sound (if that's your thing), at least two swimming pools, a bmx track, probably 20 floodlit tennis courts, and a couple of mainline train stations (and no doubt other things I've overlooked).

I could imagine a whole lot of worse places to live.

 

[bluemangroup]

All relative though isn't it? I mean I live in Elephant & Castle, and if you want to buy one of the new flats springing up around the place, you'll do incredibly well to find one for less than £300,000.

Even in this relatively poor part of town, within 30 minutes walk you've got three decent parks, two universities, two hospitals, the imperial war museum, Ministry of Sound (if that's your thing), at least two swimming pools, a bmx track, probably 20 floodlit tennis courts, and a couple of mainline train stations (and no doubt other things I've overlooked).

I could imagine a whole lot of worse places to live.

They would have all those facilities in that there London.
I was trying to say that immigrant crime rates are no worse or better than the "native" population's. I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that it's identical. They are just trying to fit in in every way.

 

[EFCNIK]

They would have all those facilities in that there London.
I was trying to say that immigrant crime rates are no worse or better than the "native" population's. I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that it's identical. They are just trying to fit in in every way.

They are similar levels. Which if you think about it, backs up my point. If we were selecting people we allow to come here, based on skill set, then the crime rate should certainly be much lower.

All that says to me is that we have our own douchbags and we've added to the problem.

 

[bluemangroup]

They are similar levels. Which if you think about it, backs up my point. If we were selecting people we allow to come here, based on skill set, then the crime rate should certainly be much lower.

All that says to me is that we have our own douchbags and we've added to the problem.

Or that there is a criminal element that emerges regardless of nationality? That tends to suggest it has more to do with socio-economic circumstance to me.

 

[EFCNIK]

And elephant and castle is an absolute

Or that there is a criminal element that emerges regardless of nationality? That tends to suggest it has more to do with socio-economic circumstance to me.

It doesn't nessessarily depend on nationality, but I would hazard a fairly well educated guess that if you welcome lots of unskilled people from poorer backgrounds who don't have he financial backing in the first place to legitimately be able to come here and support themselves, who actually find life a little tougher over here than the absolute joke of our benefits system suggests, then you just might see them turn to crime.

No one would be arsed where people came from if a) they have a skill set we need. B) they have enough money to support themselves so they don't have to depend on our benefits system and c) they actually have a job to go to.

I really don't see what I'm saying is so disagreeable. Makes logical sense surely?

 

[bluemangroup]

And elephant and castle is an absolute


It doesn't nessessarily depend on nationality, but I would hazard a fairly well educated guess that if you welcome lots of unskilled people from poorer backgrounds who don't have he financial backing in the first place to legitimately be able to come here and support themselves, who actually find life a little tougher over here than the absolute joke of our benefits system suggests, then you just might see them turn to crime.

No one would be arsed where people came from if a) they have a skill set we need. B) they have enough money to support themselves so they don't have to depend on our benefits system and c) they actually have a job to go to.

I really don't see what I'm saying is so disagreeable. Makes logical sense surely?

Yes, you might, but for the most part, it seems that we dont see a disproportionate influx of criminals. Immigrants of any origin seemingly fall in line with national averages.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And elephant and castle is an absolute

And yet, I would guess that it has ten times the things going for it as Luton does.