Next Gen consoles - PS4/Xbox One

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billy said:
waiting for my xbox one to arrive, it's torture.
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It'll be more torture when it's plugged in and you're playing it.

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RadioFriendlyUnitShifter said:
By making it as easy as possible for them to publish on their console?

You'll have to elaborate.
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Sony still manually select developers to give their dev kits to for free, rather than being like Apple who allow anybody to easily publish games for the platform simply by signing up as a developer. Angry Birds for example took off and was a huge game because it was great, not because Apple hand picked it. There's every chance that Sony's method will result in them missing out on some of these games which come out of nowhere and take off.

Their dev kits cost $10k+ each btw, i wouldn't call that making it 'as easy as possible' to develop for.
 
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Been playing the xbox one today and I'm very impressed. Loved it. No doubt the ps4 will be a fantastic machine but the xbox one is awesome as the ps4 will be.. Love the snap feature on it allowing me to play games on have the tv on at the same time all at the say if a simple voice command.
 
keverton said:
Been playing the xbox one today and I'm very impressed. Loved it. No doubt the ps4 will be a fantastic machine but the xbox one is awesome as the ps4 will be.. Love the snap feature on it allowing me to play games on have the tv on at the same time all at the say if a simple voice command.
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send some pics please kev.
 

Brennan said:
Sony still manually select developers to give their dev kits to for free, rather than being like Apple who allow anybody to easily publish games for the platform simply by signing up as a developer. Angry Birds for example took off and was a huge game because it was great, not because Apple hand picked it. There's every chance that Sony's method will result in them missing out on some of these games which come out of nowhere and take off.

Their dev kits cost $10k+ each btw, i wouldn't call that making it 'as easy as possible' to develop for.
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Have you seen the Greenlight process? Even Steam has a lot of hoops you have to jump through. Apple aren't exactly hording millions of quality games. Angry Birds? The [Poor language removed] do I care about Angry Birds if I'm a videogame enthusiastic consumer? If I'm a shareholder, sure, but that random bit of pop culture isn't what I'd call a great game.

What Apple do have is millions of horrendous copy paste, gimmicky, downright appalling apps, with a few thousand quality ones hidden in the mix. There's nothing wrong with being selective -- it's called quality control.

At the end of the day, there are 3 home consoles in this new generation. Sony's is the easiest for indie studios to publish on, hands down.
 
This is great. You hone in on one aspect that is personal to you and you hammer it home.

Look at the big picture, like it or not, these consoles are all striving to me the hub of the living room media center. They are trying to do it all.

In reality if you think Sony cares about you, the gamer/customer, any more than Microsoft does, you are being naive. They are in this game to make money. All of these little features are weighed up. Do we make money with it. Obviously Sony see's more potential than Microsoft in this respect, or, maybe it is due to the fact that Sony are up sh*t creek financially. Playstation is one of the few bits of the business that are making them money, but seeing as they posted a $6 billion loss for 2011, and looking back at the last quarter reports they posted a loss of almost $200 million, they are hedging their bets and trying to open the platform for every penny they can squeeze out of it.

I love me some good games, there are some great indie games out there, but also a lot of snot too. However, playing Indie games on a console is a relatively new thing, I don't ever remember playing indies on Genesis or SNES. No, it was always on the PC (either my 8088 or when I hit the big time, my Pentium 100).

Guys, get off the hate wars and buy the system that works for you. They will both sell bucketloads and will both be here for a long time. Either is a good bet.
 
Dylan said:
This is great. You hone in on one aspect that is personal to you and you hammer it home.
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What? I was responding to a post talking directly about that point, so yeah, I'm going to talk about that.

I'm no fanboy though, and yes it's all a business. Sony don't love me, they merely sought to capitalise on MS's failures with used games etc, to make more money for themselves. But I'm not arsed -- I want the console that will give me what I want. Last gen it was the 360, this gen it's the PS4 -- if people want an all in one entertainment system, for example, I won't begrudge them buying the Xbone.

I do care about the industry though, as someone hoping to eventually work in it, and so indie games are something I take great interest in. The more ways smaller developers can get their titles out the better. Of course some indie games are sh*te, but so what? They'll fail to do well, and that has zero impact on my ability to buy and play the good ones. In fact, sh*te indie games are going to be punished more harshly than sh*te AAA games, because the former titles won't have huge ad budgets.

The funny thing is, I'll probably end up buying a second hand Xbone in 2-4 years. I'm buying a Wii U too. I just love games, and I find it hard to resist anything that offers games that interest me. My only issue with people funding MS at the moment is the potential implications of their console coming out on top. I don't like their stances on privacy, data mining (the Kinect worries me terribly) and the used game industry, and so naturally if their console doesn't do as well as a rival console -- which supports (or rather, doesn't oppress) things like used games then that's good for me, and in my opinion, a lot of consumers. Money talks, and hypothetically, if the Xbone outsold the PS4 10 to 1 then used games would likely die and mandatory super cameras in the middle of the living room would be an acceptable standard. I think that benefits fat cats more than the average consumer, and so that's why I'm against it.
 
RadioFriendlyUnitShifter said:
My only issue with people funding MS at the moment is the potential implications of their console coming out on top. I don't like their stances on privacy, data mining (the Kinect worries me terribly) and the used game industry, and so naturally if their console doesn't do as well as a rival console -- which supports (or rather, doesn't oppress) things like used games then that's good for me, and in my opinion, a lot of consumers. Money talks, and hypothetically, if the Xbone outsold the PS4 10 to 1 then used games would likely die and mandatory super cameras in the middle of the living room would be an acceptable standard. I think that benefits fat cats more than the average consumer, and so that's why I'm against it.
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Laptops have had webcams for yonks, smart phones too. Why are you not worried about them?

People seem to gloss over the fact that Sony are everybit as 'evil' as MS. What about all of their indiscretions over the years? What about the SQL injection attack? The Rootkit shenanigans? Forcing UMDs on the consumer. Using PS3 to push Blu-Ray over HD-DVD. People forget far too quickly for some off reason (and not just this, look at everyone saying Alonso would be a better F1 champ than Vettel, after all the crap he pulled at Renault then at McLaren.........short memories!!!!!!!!!!!)
 

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