New Everton Stadium Discussion

[Dymak]

The super league subject gets brought up about twice a year, every year. But it never happens. Clubs don't need it when they already have their domestic competitions and the Champions League.

 

[jayonenote]

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That's not the point I was making. Very possibly Man City v Burnley with City closing in on the Premier League would get a better crowd (both at the Emirates and on telly) than Man City v Juve if both were also rans mid season in a European League.

The point was that money would be the driver

 

[wainy]

Don't see the point in this new "Super League" idea tbh, they already have it. The champions league format is such that, in the main, you have the same 8 or so clubs reach the final stages every year anyway.

 

[jayonenote]

Don't see the point in this new "Super League" idea tbh, they already have it. The champions league format is such that, in the main, you have the same 8 or so clubs reach the final stages every year anyway.

The point is ( to the participants) that they will have a bigger share of the.money pie...which is their sole reason...
.as always..follow the money

 

[jayonenote]

The super league subject gets brought up about twice a year, every year. But it never happens. Clubs don't need it when they already have their domestic competitions and the Champions League.

then why did they all enter into 'secret' negotiations if they dont need it?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Don't see the point in this new "Super League" idea tbh, they already have it. The champions league format is such that, in the main, you have the same 8 or so clubs reach the final stages every year anyway.

You can't guarantee that though at the moment, this is what these clubs want

 

[Jack1882]

Article in today's The Times newspaper gives info on the now fully permitted safe-standing setup the new Spurs stadium has. Could see other clubs putting them in very soon as it's allowance is now written into the guidelines.

Clubs told to meet anti-terrorism plan

The operators of sports stadiums will be obliged to produce a plan to protect supporters in the event of a terrorist attack inside or outside the ground in order to receive a licence in the future, The Times has learnt.

New guidelines produced as part of the first revision for ten years to the government-funded Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds include the need to plan for terrorist attacks after incidents outside the Stade de France and at the Manchester Arena.

The document, known as the green guide and running to more than 300 pages, also gives official blessing to football clubs to follow Tottenham Hotspur’s lead and install seats with independent barriers that will allow safe-standing areas to be introduced immediately if the government changes the law.

Ken Scott, the head of inspectorate for the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA), said that the November 2015 terrorist attacks in Paris, including on the Stade de France, had led to the revisions of the guide featuring planning for “invacuation” — where the stadium is locked down to protect those inside. Scott said: “Previous planning has been about the usual egress or if there is an emergency such as a fire inside the stadium. The events at the Stade de France and the Manchester Arena have changed that.

“If you have an event such as a terrorist attack happening outside the ground and there is a potential danger, what do we do with up to 90,000 people inside the stadium? It’s looking at things such as phased movement of people, or perhaps using the pitch to accommodate people.”

The new guide states: “In addition to normal and emergency egress, a third category called ‘exceptional egress’ is introduced, to take into account possible responses to a terrorist threat or attack occurring either inside or outside the ground. One type of exceptional egress is ‘invacuation’. ”

Stadium operators will also be required to look at installing barriers to prevent attacks by cars or vans — known as “hostile vehicle mitigation” — and to ensure that they do not block evacuation routes.

Scott said that the revision to the guide, which now permits seats incorporating barriers at Premier League and Championship grounds, “break new ground”.

Rail seats, such as those used in a safe-standing trial at Celtic’s stadium, will not be permitted as the seats can be locked in the “up” position. However, Tottenham’s design where flip-seats are used with barriers in front of each seat is now permitted.

The design has been described as “safe-standing by the back door” because if the seats are not being sat on, they will be in the “up” position. In order to receive a licence from the SGSA, however, Spurs will still need to have a management policy to get fans to sit down in those areas.

Should legislation change, however — and the government has commissioned a review of the evidence in favour or against a change — then Tottenham would be able to have a ready-made safe-standing area that would cost nothing to adapt.

“People could say it’s safe-standing by the back door but I would stress that Tottenham still have the requirement to make people sit down,” Scott said. “Tottenham have identified where persistent standing occurs and are attempting to manage that risk.”

Scott said that it would be “interesting” to see the outcome of the government’s review and pointed out that there had been potentially dangerous incidents that had happened with people persistently standing in areas designed for seating.

In September last year, 29 fans were injured, five of them seriously, when a barrier collapsed at Amiens’ Ligue 1 match with Lille. Fans were standing on rows of seats that had no backs and a barrier in front of the away section buckled as fans celebrated a goal.

In August, at least two Leeds United supporters were injured when celebrating fans fell on each other in seated areas causing a crush away to Norwich City. “What we are getting now is fans looking to come up with the most outrageous form of celebration, be it the ‘Poznan’ or crowd surfing and that type of thing is going to increase the risk,” Scott said.

 

[jayonenote]

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That's not the point I was making. Very possibly Man City v Burnley with City closing in on the Premier League would get a better crowd (both at the Emirates and on telly) than Man City v Juve if both were also rans mid season in a European League.

But Man City wouldnt be playing any other English teams if they are in this Super League...it would be the everyone else minus the top 4 or 5.

 

[charlie atkins]

With no relegation all it will be is 10/12 decent matches a season and a load of exhibition games

but how many times have sky/bt built up so called big games and they end up being so negative,
also, even a super league will have teams at the bottom, how many would travel then?

 

[Toffeelover]

If such a league was formed what would happen to MOTD? In addition what would happen to world wide coverage of the PL - the money coffers would soon empty. Could spell disaster for the PL. For me I would not watch a euro super league if our club is not in.

 

[Dymak]

then why did they all enter into 'secret' negotiations if they dont need it?

It's all a load of bollocks mate. The newspapers were reporting this nonsense as being forthcoming back in the 90's, and when that 'G14' was in existence. They will report it again in six months time, and another six months after that, but it will never happen because it makes no sense for them to do so.

 

[mahermi1]

Let them do it, they'd soon get sick of playing each other 3 or 4 times a year. Then we should ban them from all local cup competitions as well.

 

[4737carlin]

If such a league was formed what would happen to MOTD? In addition what would happen to world wide coverage of the PL - the money coffers would soon empty. Could spell disaster for the PL. For me I would not watch a euro super league if our club is not in.

They money would filter back when they buy our players, thing is fans watch the league they play in, no one apart from wools would buy to watch that super league stuff

 

[roydo]

They money would filter back when they buy our players, thing is fans watch the league they play in, no one apart from wools would buy to watch that super league stuff

I doubt that many match going fans of the English clubs would want it that much either.

 

[Jacko93]

I doubt that many match going fans of the English clubs would want it that much either.

Assuming of course that there would be any need for a teams match going fans. The only progression of the European Super league would then be to take the games abroad. Uniteds home games may not necessarily be played at Old Trafford, but rather a stadium elsewhere in America or India. OT may get to host Real v Bayern or something like that. The grounds that the clubs own are more of a drain on their resources than something to create wealth. It would make more sense for Liverpool to go 50% on an 80k gate with United at a ground they pay nothing for than it would to get 80% of a 50k gate that costs them a fortune to maintain.