New Everton Stadium Discussion

[davek]

No one should downplay that fact but again I believe that has way more to do with the glass skyscrapers than a stadium which will not be the thing that drastically changes Liverpool's skyline or blocks the view of the three graces from the river. The closer to those the more the problem becomes magnified so being the furthest over must help.

I think the stadium will be right up there in UNESCO's list of disapproval. However, they seem to be more exercised by the high rise element, so there's room for persuasion on a stadium if it can be shown the designs wont be so gaudy and modernistic that it makes a mockery of the theme that's secured WHS in the first place.

If the council nob UNESCO off then it all becomes a lot easier. However, it does seem they want them kept onside and to have the development AND continued WHS for the waterfront.

 

[Dabluez]

My take away message from all that ^^^ is, 'you're small time, dont think that you can get big gates, you cant. Know your place'.

Fits right in with your support for Firmino.

It is not about getting big gates. We get big gates now but 39,000 fans per week only earns us £14m a season. You could have gates of 120k a game more than any Club on the planet and with our current revenue per seat we would still be miles behind the Clubs we need to compete with.

What we need to do is to increase our revenue per seat.

 

[neil999]

paint some yogurt on the outside, thus moss will grow.. giving the stadium a nice vintagey feel

 

[wainy]

It is not about getting big gates. We get big gates now but 39,000 fans per week only earns us £14m a season. You could have gates of 120k a game more than any Club on the planet and with our current revenue per seat we would still be miles behind the Clubs we need to compete with.

What we need to do is to increase our revenue per seat.

We have a season ticket waiting list of 10k. A new stadium on the docks will provide more walk up fans, more tourist fans as it's more accessible from town. Anything less than 55k is a complete waste of time and money. Why on earth would we build a 45k stadium?

 

[Hickson9]

It is not about getting big gates. We get big gates now but 39,000 fans per week only earns us £14m a season. You could have gates of 120k a game more than any Club on the planet and with our current revenue per seat we would still be miles behind the Clubs we need to compete with.

What we need to do is to increase our revenue per seat.

Massive scope to increase our earnings from Hospitality and Corporate seating allowing us to keep regular seating near the decent price it is now in order to maximise attendance.

A full stadium will also see better stadium sponsorship, better atmosphere and be very positive for the club's image - all of which will bring in greater revenue without burdening the common fan. It's all about balance.

 

[ForeverEverton]

Anyone seen Dan Meis tweet about the 61878th season ticket holder.... I cant import an image

 

[IV(AC)]

The new Zenit Stadum looks good, 67,000 with a retractable roof. Something like this but with a single tier stand behind one goal would do us, probably out of our price range though.

Which looks an carbon copy of Ajax's JC Arena
53,748
>50k sold for most games over the past couple of years btw
The home allocation is normally sold out

Message - selling 50k+ on a regular basis in the Premier League is little challenge
Aim for 60k+ minimum for the next 15-20 year's growth

 

[CrustySack]

There is no such thing as a free lunch. The priority has to be the team and being successful. A state of the art scaleable Stadium with great facilities that holds 45-50k makes far more sense. It will mean lower repayments meaning more can be spent on players. It will mean we can drive up revenue per seat which is crucial and it will be far less risky.

LOL LOL LOL. I can see this 60k Everton stadium in an iconic location is going to be painful viewing for you chum. Just accept that Liverpool FC aren't the only show in town. Make it easy on yourself.

 

[roydo]

That Journo who did The Times piece seems to be their culture correspondent btw.

Probably loves wasteland docks.

 

[Dabluez]

We have a season ticket waiting list of 10k. A new stadium on the docks will provide more walk up fans, more tourist fans as it's more accessible from town. Anything less than 55k is a complete waste of time and money. Why on earth would we build a 45k stadium?

A 45k Stadium would cost around half the cost of a 60k Stadium. We could still have the same amount of hospitality/corporate facilities. The debt repayments would be much lower there would be far less risk, we could invest more in the team and the biggest kicker is the push for safe standing. With safe standing you get a 60k Stadium for the price of a 45k Stadium, you can charge lower prices and you get a better atmosphere.

As we improve we can add on more capacity as we need it. Currently under 11s pay £5 a game, 11-17 year olds pay £8 a game, 17-21's pay £16 a game, 22-24's and over 65's pay £20 a game. Full price season tickets start at £23 a game. Those figures simply don't pay for a £600m Stadium.

 

[ForeverEverton]

 

[MickA]

A 45k Stadium would cost around half the cost of a 60k Stadium. We could still have the same amount of hospitality/corporate facilities. The debt repayments would be much lower there would be far less risk, we could invest more in the team and the biggest kicker is the push for safe standing. With safe standing you get a 60k Stadium for the price of a 45k Stadium, you can charge lower prices and you get a better atmosphere.

As we improve we can add on more capacity as we need it. Currently under 11s pay £5 a game, 11-17 year olds pay £8 a game, 17-21's pay £16 a game, 22-24's and over 65's pay £20 a game. Full price season tickets start at £23 a game. Those figures simply don't pay for a £600m Stadium.

Anything to back that claim up? Starting from a dock filled with water it's quite a statement.

 

[maccavennie]

No we can't. Everyone in the Premier League gets the TV money. What differentiates the top Clubs from the bottom Clubs is the rest of your income. United and Arsenal for instance have match day incomes of around £100m. Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool will in the near future meet or surpass those kind of figures. They earn huge amounts from ticket prices AND make money from retail/hospitality.

Then there is the cost of actually paying for the Stadium. If you add 20,000 seats for say £600m then that money needs to repaid.

A new Stadium only makes sense if it increases our income and allows us to compete because under FFP and the Premier League fair play rules Moshiri can only bankroll us for so long.

BMD can't simply be a vanity project it needs to make financial sense. At the moment we should forget about looking to one up the RS and look at what makes financial sense for Everton. That means upping our revenue per seat and adding Corporate/Hospitality facilities. We need a Stadium that we can fill week in week out and a Stadium that allows us to charge higher prices.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. The priority has to be the team and being successful. A state of the art scaleable Stadium with great facilities that holds 45-50k makes far more sense. It will mean lower repayments meaning more can be spent on players. It will mean we can drive up revenue per seat which is crucial and it will be far less risky.

Build the fan base, improve the team, increase revenues and expand the Stadium as we grow. It might not be sexy but it worked for United and it can work for us.

What do you mean if we add 20,000 seats that's an additional 600m?? By your maths a 60k stadium is going to cost 1.8b

We sell out just under 40k every other week but I don't think the majority of fans spend their money in and around the ground before/after so instantly a more improved experience and we are going to unlock 40k fans plus an additioal 20k spending money on hospitatility.

We barely have any corporate seats at Goodison and the ones we do have are usually sold out so again we can increase revenue from this.

Why should we increase ticket prices? Why do you think Everton don't do it now? We live in the Northwest of England, this isn't down South so pricing is done accordingly.

New stadium doesn't automatically mean "right let's double the cost". You have to have a successful team to begin with so as a starting point we need to get the pricing low which in turn will attract kids/families.

Let me know when you get a chance to explain the 600m comment for 20k worth of seats.

 

[roydo]

Those figures simply don't pay for a £600m Stadium.

A few observations. For one we/you havnt a clue what the finance will look like. For another, its not just match day revenue that the ground will produce.

And one other. We are not building this to pay off a loan; we are building it to safeguard/enhance the future of the club. I fully expect the first few seasons in it to be a bit tight, finance wise, as the club adjusts to new budgets and that.

 

[Brisan123]

A 45k Stadium would cost around half the cost of a 60k Stadium. We could still have the same amount of hospitality/corporate facilities. The debt repayments would be much lower there would be far less risk, we could invest more in the team and the biggest kicker is the push for safe standing. With safe standing you get a 60k Stadium for the price of a 45k Stadium, you can charge lower prices and you get a better atmosphere.

As we improve we can add on more capacity as we need it. Currently under 11s pay £5 a game, 11-17 year olds pay £8 a game, 17-21's pay £16 a game, 22-24's and over 65's pay £20 a game. Full price season tickets start at £23 a game. Those figures simply don't pay for a £600m Stadium.

As to your last sentence
You are right Those figures don’t pay for a 60 k stadium
However a 20 m a year stadium naming deal , plus Sportspesa deal plus Angry birds deal does.
Bigger picture going on here than you seem to realise.
How many PL clubs have 7 figure naming rights on their training ground