Naismith 3 year extention

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Naismith 5 in 14 this season, Barkley 1 in 10
Last season Naismith 5 in 13, Barkley 6 in 25

But.... Barkley in that no.10 creates space for others and occupys 1 if not 2 opp players, thus giving more space and freedom for Rom, baines, Coleman and the likes. Also his 1 in 10 comes whilst playing most that as a LW ffs!

Naismith has proved his worth to the squad, every good team needs a naismith...They would not however rely on a naismith and certainly not at the cost of better players.

It's simple if u ask me...Rotate ross and naismith, rotate lakaku, Ettoo and Kone, then start with proper wingers! Towards the end of a game, Needing a goal, you can play players out of posistion to try force a goal. But we gota start playing square pegs in square holes!
 

When you are playing [Poor language removed] and lacking confidence the very first thing you need is effort. Naismith has this in spades AND he scores goals. We need him at the moment.

Totally agree. Naismith didn't do a lot wrong tonight. He's more decisive and quicker with his passing that Barkley, at least at the moment, and in a team way too open and easy to play through, he provides a defensive work rate that quite a few players could learn from. It's ok to admire the skill and ability of Mirallas and Barkley going forward, but they're pretty average in terms of defensive positioning and awareness of danger. Not a problem if the team is surging forward, but when players are hesitant and up against it...Naismith's in the side on merit, not charity.
 
It's simple if u ask me...Rotate ross and naismith, rotate lakaku, Ettoo and Kone, then start with proper wingers! Towards the end of a game, Needing a goal, you can play players out of posistion to try force a goal. But we gota start playing square pegs in square holes!

Yeah I agree there should be more rotation, there especially should have been over the busy festive schedule!

Totally agree. Naismith didn't do a lot wrong tonight. He's more decisive and quicker with his passing that Barkley, at least at the moment, and in a team way too open and easy to play through, he provides a defensive work rate that quite a few players could learn from. It's ok to admire the skill and ability of Mirallas and Barkley going forward, but they're pretty average in terms of defensive positioning and awareness of danger. Not a problem if the team is surging forward, but when players are hesitant and up against it...Naismith's in the side on merit, not charity.

Yeah spot on! Also, Naismith had a little spell on the sidelines recently when he injured his hamstring (probs due to the amount he had played, pre-season too). This was a perfect opportunity for the other attackers to prove he shouldn't be in the team, but from what I can remember we were turd and looked devoid of movement up front! Barkley and Eto'o both had shots in the number 10 role and were poor!

Also, this time last season people on here were saying Naismith was 'impact sub' at best and then he went on to nail a starting slot, on merit! No reason why he can't show the same form in the 2nd half of this season.

The reason Naismith gets picked is because you know what you are gonna get with him. Even if he has an off-day you are still guaranteed that he will work his socks off for the team and run himself into the ground. If the others have an
off day then they might as well be sat in the pub watching the game with us lot.
 
i like him, but he really shouldnt be starting every game for us. he had a purple patch beginning of the season ... he's just not that good

he'll still play against city though, cos martinez will want his pressing and work rate
 
We need two genuine wide players on the pitch. If he's not gonna start Atsu, McGeady or Pienaar, then get shut and bring someone in who he is gonna start.
 

We need two genuine wide players on the pitch. If he's not gonna start Atsu, McGeady or Pienaar, then get shut and bring someone in who he is gonna start.

I dont think we do need 2 genuine wide players.

I think we need one and the other someone who is creative coming inside a la Pienaar (who seems to never be fit)

If we have two genuine wingers then Coleman/Baines/Garbutt/Oviedo are redundant. McGeady for example, whenever I see him play he never looks to the full back. He's a typical winger who wants all of the glory and therefore just concerned with beating his man.

Dont get me wrong, thats fine, but when you have the two best attacking full backs in the league (out of form, i appreciate that) there is no need two have two more players hugging the touchline getting in their way.

I think thats why RM plays only one - usually Mirrallas. KM also can play both sides effectively which means we can rotate in game depending on how much joy either full back is getting on.

I know thats not how its working currently because every player is woefully out of form, but I think two widemen would hinder us rather than improve us.

Unless you want to play Hibbert and ask Baines to sit alongside the other 3 - which would be silly imo
 
For me, Naismith plays against the top teams (Man City, Chelsea etc) to put them under pressure with his Tenacity. Naismith doesn't play against lower teams who we should be on the front foot against where we need a bit more guile/creativity. I think he's always a good impact sub.
 
I don't know why every positive comment about Naismith has to come with a qualifier. He is a good footballer, full stop. He won more headers last night than Barkley has won in his career, tracked back in defense, moved well around the box (though he suffers from the same lack of creativity that seems to be plaguing our entire team in the final third), and transitioned well when we won possession in our own half (the great hold up and pass to find Barkley for Lukaku's shot on the break stands out for me). No he doesn't go on mazey dribbles like Barkley, but he plays simple passes to players in good positions without giving away possession, which I strongly prefer. Barkley had a good game yesterday, but for me Naismith was my man of the match.

I'm not sure why even when Naismith puts in solid, all around performances, people are quick to drop him from their theoretical lineups. I would say it's because he's not scoring as much now, but even when he was scoring no one thought much of him. He scores at fairly the same rate against poor opposition and top teams, yet people keep trying to determine special circumstances where he's useful (with the implication being that he's not useful outside of those circumstances).

I know it seems strange, watching him it often doesn't feel like he's playing well, but then you focus on him for a period of time and he'll do a lot of things right and almost nothing wrong. But he's given far less reason to be dropped than just about anyone else on the team, with the only reason I've really seen being that Barkley is probably "better" and should therefore play over him.
 
I don't know why every positive comment about Naismith has to come with a qualifier. He is a good footballer, full stop. He won more headers last night than Barkley has won in his career, tracked back in defense, moved well around the box (though he suffers from the same lack of creativity that seems to be plaguing our entire team in the final third), and transitioned well when we won possession in our own half (the great hold up and pass to find Barkley for Lukaku's shot on the break stands out for me). No he doesn't go on mazey dribbles like Barkley, but he plays simple passes to players in good positions without giving away possession, which I strongly prefer. Barkley had a good game yesterday, but for me Naismith was my man of the match.

I'm not sure why even when Naismith puts in solid, all around performances, people are quick to drop him from their theoretical lineups. I would say it's because he's not scoring as much now, but even when he was scoring no one thought much of him. He scores at fairly the same rate against poor opposition and top teams, yet people keep trying to determine special circumstances where he's useful (with the implication being that he's not useful outside of those circumstances).

I know it seems strange, watching him it often doesn't feel like he's playing well, but then you focus on him for a period of time and he'll do a lot of things right and almost nothing wrong. But he's given far less reason to be dropped than just about anyone else on the team, with the only reason I've really seen being that Barkley is probably "better" and should therefore play over him.
Wouldn't want Naismith dropped. He's an intelligent player that runs into good positions and knows when to give the ball. Gels the attack more effectively than most do. Plus you get 100% effort thrown in.
 
For me, Naismith plays against the top teams (Man City, Chelsea etc) to put them under pressure with his Tenacity. Naismith doesn't play against lower teams who we should be on the front foot against where we need a bit more guile/creativity. I think he's always a good impact sub.

I think in the home games against big teams he's really effective, about the first name on the team sheet in those games I'd say. When we play away to the likes of Man City then Barkley is more effective on the counter attack. Naismith does a lot of good work defensively though, wins a lot of defensive headers from corners too!
 

Received a new contract and has gone missing since. Where's the workrate gone for the past few weeks? I dont see much of it lately.
 

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