Moyes

Deleted member 28206 · May 4, 2012

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ToffeeBlueNose · May 4, 2012

Brennan91 said:
2008/09 was the last season where we were higher in the table in the first half of the year than where we eventually finished. That should always be the aim for any team, a strong start to the season so you don't have as much pressure after Christmas.

We were 14th at the end of January 2011. Yes we lost Pienaar but regardless of that the squad we had should never have been 14th, as our second half proved when we went and finished 7th.

I'm sick of watching us play s***e football for the entire first half of the year and people defending it because we've sold some players. We smashed Sunderland 4-0 without Jelavic, Baines or Fellaini. We beat Chelsea 2-0 without Jelavic. We beat City 1-0 without Jelavic.

In fact, Jelavic didn't even play until March 10th (excluding a cameo against Wigan).

Moyes said that the new signings gave everybody a lift, but the players shouldn't NEED a lift to play their best, and the manager should be giving them the left and filling them with the desire to go out on the pitch and play as they prove they can time and time again.

Taking 4 points from Swansea, Stoke, Norwich, and Bolton at home is a disgrace.

Azzurri said:
Moyes' mind games: destroy his own team's confidence.

i agree with both of these in the main.

Christiffa25 · May 4, 2012

Lets go back to september...

Pienaar was already well gone.
Arteta had gone
Yak and beckford went from the squad that was already well short

We were left with no right or left winger, a past it acm (cahill) and no striker plus 2 cm that dont really compleiment each other.

No creativity in midfield and no goals coming from anywhere other than baines. We had to change the way we played to unatractive dross to accumilate points. Top 10 would of been great tbh

Then comes january donovan pienaar gibson and jelavic....
Played alot better football, creative and scored goals. Moyes has changed the way we play as better players have come in.

Based on the team now 7th is where we should be finishing but the team back in spetember was no better than around 10th

FACT!!

ToffeeBlueNose · May 4, 2012

Christiffa25 said:
Lets go back to september...

Pienaar was already well gone.
Arteta had gone
Yak and beckford went from the squad that was already well short

We were left with no right or left winger, a past it acm (cahill) and no striker plus 2 cm that dont really compleiment each other.

No creativity in midfield and no goals coming from anywhere other than baines. We had to change the way we played to unatractive dross to accumilate points. Top 10 would of been great tbh

Then comes january donovan pienaar gibson and jelavic....
Played alot better football, creative and scored goals. Moyes has changed the way we play as better players have come in.

Based on the team now 7th is where we should be finishing but the team back in spetember was no better than around 10th

FACT!!

so what you are basically saying is our squad is not premiership standard then and we are lucky we weren't fighting relegation until we made signings in january. Get a grip ffs, also 10th isn't that many points behind 7th is it so pretty weak argument really.

Summerskin · May 4, 2012

Christiffa25 said:
Lets go back to september...

Pienaar was already well gone.
Arteta had gone
Yak and beckford went from the squad that was already well short

We were left with no right or left winger, a past it acm (cahill) and no striker plus 2 cm that dont really compleiment each other.

No creativity in midfield and no goals coming from anywhere other than baines. !!

You forgot to mention the unarsed manager mate.

Azzurri · May 4, 2012

Considering where we were at the start of the year 7th is a great finish, but does that mean Moyes is content with being awful for the first 5 months of the season?

Blue_Berry · May 4, 2012

Look at SAF last week - he was telling the world that they will lose the prem title race not because of losing to Citteh, but because they "inexcusably" let 2 goals slip in during the last 7 mins against us (implication: EFC are minnows playing in an altogether different league). I know I'm biased but I think it's fair to say that we launched a feckin hamster up his chocolate starfish in that game, and but for some outstanding forward play by Rooney, Nani etc would have come out of it with a good win and the perception from a 'neutral' that we were the better team.

The point being, SAF ferociously maintains this aura of invincibility and supeiority around his team - even (or perhaps especially) when they are clearly half the team they were in the past few years. That breeds expectation, confidence, and fear in the oppo. King Kenny is actually doing the same, in an even worse season for the RS.

Moyes needs to learn that to take us to the next level - IMHO.

ToffeeBlueNose · May 4, 2012

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Summerskin · May 4, 2012

Azzurri said:
Considering where we were at the start of the year 7th is a great finish, but does that mean Moyes is content with being awful for the first 5 months of the season?

Considering he's done nothing in 4 seasons to prevent it happening, yes it does.

pbeyer · May 4, 2012

Christiffa25 said:
Lets go back to september...

Pienaar was already well gone.
Arteta had gone
Yak and beckford went from the squad that was already well short

We were left with no right or left winger, a past it acm (cahill) and no striker plus 2 cm that dont really compleiment each other.

No creativity in midfield and no goals coming from anywhere other than baines. We had to change the way we played to unatractive dross to accumilate points. Top 10 would of been great tbh

Then comes january donovan pienaar gibson and jelavic....
Played alot better football, creative and scored goals. Moyes has changed the way we play as better players have come in.

Based on the team now 7th is where we should be finishing but the team back in spetember was no better than around 10th

FACT!!

Just saying "FACT!!" at the end of a post doesn't make it a fact. While there are facts sprinkled in the post, the main theme is still an opinion, and one that I do not agree with. I would not have been content with 10th place, even based on our start to the season. I'm also not content with 7th, it is a good finish considering our start and our finances, but I want more than that.

OPINION!!

Azzurri · May 4, 2012

Summerskin said:
Considering he's done nothing in 4 seasons to prevent it happening, yes it does.

Well that's a massive problem then.

Whos fault is it that we always have an awful start? Moyes says he'd be happy with top half considering our awful start as if he or the players had nothing to do with that start.

Summerskin · May 4, 2012

Azzurri said:
Whos fault is it that we always have an awful start? .

Obviously there's several potential reasons, player form/fitness/happiness, I hate the notion but outside factors like club turmoil (Kopite excuse) could have a few players' heads in the wrong places...

But, since the beginning of the 2008/09 season we've had to play catch up every year, and a buck like that has to stop with the bloke in charge.

If you were running a car showroom and all of your salesmen performed under par for half a term the first person the big boys would be going for is you...the chummy relationship between Moyes and the Board means he'll never get questioned, partly because Bill still thinks it's 2003 and we're just happy not to sit in 16th anymore.

I think this again, all boils down to Moyes' character, for all of his plus points he simply freezes when expectation is placed upon him; Alex Ferguson saying we could be a dark horse for 4th before 2010-11 illustrated this trait perfectly, as we were the last team in the English footballing tier to win a league game that season, despite have a completely settled squad and having done our summer business much earlier than usual.

There's no expectation when you're 13th in January, hence why we usually have a fantastic surge.

This year, there is no doubt that the January signings have completely reinvigorated us; And whilst it has been fantastic to finally buy some much needed reinforcements, the 4/5 year trend of starting slow simply can NOT be overlooked and underquestioned by the board, the fans, the media and most importantly...Moyes himself, anymore.

Seamus Colemole · May 4, 2012

If we're sitting 3rd in Jan 1st 2013 but go on to finish 7th that will be seen as a failure of a season, a flop, Moyes bottled it, couldn't hack the pressure, not cut out for challenging at the top.

And that will hurt his ego as opposed to the pats on the back he gets for doing a wonderful job of dragging us out of the **** in the second half of the season that he got us into in the first.