Moyes is now my favourite Evertonian of all time

[Summerskin]

Relegated twice in 134 years, the last time being six decades ago.

More seasons in the top flight of English football than anyone else.

Somebody who's overseen Everton win zero in ten years leaving = Instant drop.

Riiiiiiiiight.

 

[Summerskin]

...and I hope I haven't fell for someone who's taking the mick, comeuppance or what?

 

[teameverton]

...and I hope I haven't fell for someone who's taking the mick, comeuppance or what?

I started this thread and i am not taking the mick,and while probably few believe hes the best Evertonian, it feels like general acceptance that he has been excellent for Everton.

 

[Allezfan]

Pretty sure the only person mentioning him being the best ever is the op. The rest are saying he's a very good manager, you are arguing it constantly demonstrating your views that he is not at an acceptable standard with the mention of losing cup games to lesser teams as if no decent manager does that, or using Mike walker as a standard with which to compare him etc etc.
He's quality and if you read back all your comments you will surely agree that you are trying to paint a picture of a **** manager. Which as you admit yourself is not right.

Of course he's a very good manager and he's been an excellent servant for us, I've said as much about twenty times, I just don't think he deserves to be mentioned in such glowing terms as he is, that's all. He's a step down from the true greats like Kendall, Catterick et al..

And I think his performance over the last three years was subpar given the players he had to work with (I think building a great team is often a different skill to using it and his team selections and tactics often seemed to be holding us back over the last three years and that combined with some very rare misteps in the transfer marker e.g bily and not selling saha saw us backslide from a europa league team to a top ten team) and if it hadn't been for the fact that the 4th place and cup final years had bought him such good will, he'd have caught a lot more flack from it. However if he can continue this season the way he started it, I'll soon forget those three transitional years and be happy to admit I was 100% wrong to think he'd gone stale here and couldn't capture the old magic any more.

The first two games of this season have certainly been terrific and Moyes deserves a lot of credit for that. But he's still got a long way to go before he can be compared to Kendall.

 

[tonka1878]

Relegated twice in 134 years, the last time being six decades ago.

More seasons in the top flight of English football than anyone else.

Somebody who's overseen Everton win zero in ten years leaving = Instant drop.

Riiiiiiiiight.

The Everton of 2012 wouldn't get relegated if Moyes left, the Everton of 2002 on the other hand was only going one way. If the rumours of Megson being Kenwrights first choice are true then I hate to think where we would be! Although City have gone from the third flight to League Champions in slightly longer so who knows what could have happened.

 

[Ihaters]

Of course he's a very good manager and he's been an excellent servant for us, I've said as much about twenty times, I just don't think he deserves to be mentioned in such glowing terms as he is, that's all. He's a step down from the true greats like Kendall, Catterick et al..

And I think his performance over the last three years was subpar given the players he had to work with (I think building a great team is often a different skill to using it and his team selections and tactics often seemed to be holding us back over the last three years and that combined with some very rare misteps in the transfer marker e.g bily and not selling saha saw us backslide from a europa league team to a top ten team) and if it hadn't been for the fact that the 4th place and cup final years had bought him such good will, he'd have caught a lot more flack from it. However if he can continue this season the way he started it, I'll soon forget those three transitional years and be happy to admit I was 100% wrong to think he'd gone stale here and couldn't capture the old magic any more.

The first two games of this season have certainly been terrific and Moyes deserves a lot of credit for that. But he's still got a long way to go before he can be compared to Kendall.

For what its worth I actually agree with that completely.
I think tactically though he has been held back by a lack of strikers that could do the job. We overran teams several times at the start of last season, dozens of shots on goal and ended up losing because we simply couldn't hit the back of the net. Now we're doing similar but getting goals.
To be honest both games we should of scored a lot more and against better defences it will be harder but I think in Jelavic he has found his missing link. Hopefully Belgian Ronaldo will also raise us but I doubt he will be anywhere as influential as our super striker but we'll see.
Let me ask you this though, if Moyes did win a cup, how much would it raise your opinion of him? Would it be enough to make him a great manager in your eyes?

 

[nigelcoyb]

Moyes is doing great, allied to the finish of last season we've had 2 cracking wins playing football I didn't think he believed in or could deliver. He's been decisive in the transfer market selling to buy, notably Rodwell, and getting CREATIVE players - fookin' brilliant - no doubt.

If you want to be arsey about it the uncomfortable question is why hasn't he done this before?

But while he's doing well I'm refraining from arseyness.

The biz about we would have been relegated without him is as credible as me saying we'd have won the league with someone else.

 

[sheeds]

Of course he's a very good manager and he's been an excellent servant for us, I've said as much about twenty times, I just don't think he deserves to be mentioned in such glowing terms as he is, that's all. He's a step down from the true greats like Kendall, Catterick et al..

And I think his performance over the last three years was subpar given the players he had to work with (I think building a great team is often a different skill to using it and his team selections and tactics often seemed to be holding us back over the last three years and that combined with some very rare misteps in the transfer marker e.g bily and not selling saha saw us backslide from a europa league team to a top ten team) and if it hadn't been for the fact that the 4th place and cup final years had bought him such good will, he'd have caught a lot more flack from it. However if he can continue this season the way he started it, I'll soon forget those three transitional years and be happy to admit I was 100% wrong to think he'd gone stale here and couldn't capture the old magic any more.

The first two games of this season have certainly been terrific and Moyes deserves a lot of credit for that. But he's still got a long way to go before he can be compared to Kendall.

Totally agree with that post , said much better than I could manage

unless we get 4th or taken over I can see him leaving to manage in a foreign country. Dont think we can use the old "he is a young manager still learning his trade" after the has been here for 11 years.

He guarantees us top8 finishes every year no matter how bad we are. the fear is no other manager would put up with BK or preform as good as moyes did,

I think IF moyes leaves he'd look to going abroad (I actually think he already tentatively has) , I'm also not convinced domestic big clubs will be knocking the door down or him and I think the previous few months support that.

Relegated twice in 134 years, the last time being six decades ago.

More seasons in the top flight of English football than anyone else.

Somebody who's overseen Everton win zero in ten years leaving = Instant drop.

Riiiiiiiiight.

Agree with you to mate, I'm by I means anti-moyes at all but I find the fact that apparently he's the first manager in our history who is irreplaceable frankly ridiculous . I think he deserves huge credit for the squad assembly but I'm just not sure in the past few years the squad has achieved much better than you'd expect of it . Top 7/8 is where this squad should be in my opinion , if we finish 4 , 5 or maybe 6 then we can talk about over-achieving . That doesn't distract for me from the fantastic job he's done assembling this squad on the resources he has

 

[Jags..class]

My favourite evertonian as well, will be a sad day for me when he leaves.

 

[Allezfan]

Let me ask you this though, if Moyes did win a cup, how much would it raise your opinion of him? Would it be enough to make him a great manager in your eyes?

Yes, I think so. The main thing I question about him is his ability to use the squads he's very good at assembling. It often seems that when there's pressure on him and we're expected to do well, i.e when we started with a fully fit squad that he was pubically calling his best ever in 2010-11, the semfinal last year, reading at home, etc, we often choke and he's scared to go for the win and it costs us.

If he can guide us through the semis and the final of a cup successfully that would put that argument, that he can't pull it out of the bag when it matters, to bed and would cement him as a top manager, I think.