Moyes is now my favourite Evertonian of all time
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It was a manner of making a point, lad. People on here are saying that trophies won isn't how you should judge a manager. That not getting us relegated is the more important achievment. Well you know only two managers in our entire history have got us relegated. If that's the way we judge them, then every other manager from walker and smith to bingham and lee has been a success.
It's nonsense, you judge a man on his trophies. Winning a trophy is a good season, getting to the champions league group stages and the riches that awards you is a good season if it leads you to then winning more trophies later, anything other than that is disapointing. 7th in the league with no trophies won and no european football, is a miserable failiure at a club like this who expect more than that.
It's a sad incidctment of this club's current status that we accept not getting relegated and not winning stuff as the greatest achievement possible.
We've won 15 major honours in our time and people are seriously suggesting that a man who won none of them is our greatest manager. It's ridiculous.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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It was an odd comparison to choose, but now you've explained what you meant, I can see where you're coming from.
I don't think Moyes can be classed as a our greatest ever manager, I agree that's a ridiculous accolade to look to bestow on him.
However, I do think that he's managed the club in an era where the playing field is more skewed than it has been in football history, but he's kept us in touch with the leading pack, on far less resources. That feat deserves respect imo, as does the fact that he continually repeats it. All that's missing is some silverware, and tbf the man himself knows that, only too well.
Ihaters
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I am glad i have a little more substance to my appreciation of football management than artetafans view of if you don't win a cup your ****, whilst completely disregarding circumstances. and before the words.. i never said that come out its what every response you are giving is saying.
To repeat myself: There's a wide, wide gap between 'not the greatest evertonian of all time' and '****'.
Clint Planet
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Fair enough, but there is also a wide, wide gap between Mike Walker's contribution to Everton's history and David Moyes'.
Azzurri
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While he has undoubtedly done a great job of turning things around since the Walter Smith days, we were arguably the best team in the world under Howard Kendall in 1985. That coupled with the trophies he's won means he's streets ahead of Moyes for now IMO. Who is the better manager is up for debate, though.
Well no, it's Kendall.
Azzurri
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Well I think so but he was poor almost everywhere else he went and wasn't great when returning to us for the second and third time. Take out 1984-1987 and he'd be Gary Megson standard. Sad to say, like.
Summerskin
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I've questioned that a few times when i've sat watching Brentford, Shrewsbury, Oldham, Reading, a 10 man Chelsea on their worst run in years and Birmingham dump us out of the cup...
Summerskin
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Or look at reality like when he took us to the most successful period in the clubs' history.
Azzurri
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I'm not suggesting we erase 3 years from the world's history books.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Shall I list all the good cup tie wins?
Pointless argument, unless you're trying to suggest that he didn't care about the result of those games?
Take out 1978-2012 and so would alex ferguson.
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