Moyes In/Out

[Pblueman]

do ya know Holloway isnt a bad shout. passion in spades drive determination and attacking play.

 

[Deanjam]

Yeh it was the right decision to rest players.

God forbid they have to play a midweek game aswell as at the weekend. How on earth can professional athletes do that?

It isn't as simple at that though is it? All premiership players are at the peak of fitness. Playing at 95% makes a difference at this level. Sunderland have no midweek game so their fitness levels will be higher come Saturday. The difference between 100% and 95% could be the game.

 

[daz4matty]

It's understandable people are disappointed after last night, but it's still in for me. It was the right decision to rest players last night.

Plenty of Kopites here I'm afraid. And yes they gloat. But one of the 3 games had to be sacrificed to a weakened team. If people's argument is that he should have rested players against Spurs, then fair enough. But he obviously thought we had a better chance against beating Spurs at Goodison than winning at Anfield. I wouldn't disagree with him on that.

Who says we are going to get to the cup final if we get liverpool in the semis he will let them walk all over us again .

 

[harry]

do ya know Holloway isnt a bad shout. passion in spades drive determination and attacking play.

I would to see an everton team attack, ive forgotten what its like, i bet its a thing of beauty. 10 years of lower league football tactics is enough. like Edge this will be my last season as a season ticket holder.

 

[Deanjam]

Brendan Rogers

Paul Lambert

Slaven Billic

Gus Poyet

Nigel Clough

Ian Holloway

Paolo Di Canio

Chris Hughton

Nigel Pearson


I'd take any of the above right now. All would bring a bit of positivity & would be hugely appreciative of the job & traditions of the club. Not to mention that whopping £70k a week!

Lambert will be a top manager I reckon. If Moyes was to go I'd be happy with him. Billic knows the club and seems eager to manage in the Premiership, so he'd wouldn't be a bad choice. Hughton and Rogers have good potential. Don't rate the others at all.

 

[bluejock]

do ya know Holloway isnt a bad shout. passion in spades drive determination and attacking play.

Blackpool got relegated for a reason mate.

"You score 5, we score 6" mentality will never work in the premier league.

Look at Swansea and Norwich. They play passing, attacking football BUT they don't neglect defensive responsibilty. As such, neither will go down.

Now, adopt that style of football with, in general, better players, and you're looking at a team capable of challenging the top sides.

Investment is still needed but it'd be a start

 

[Deanjam]

Who says we are going to get to the cup final if we get liverpool in the semis he will let them walk all over us again .

Well he won't rest players for a semi. I agree there are no guarantees. We may lose on Saturday. If we do then Moyes will have made a huge mistake this week as our season will be virtually over. My point is that last night's result has to be seen in the bigger picture. Moyes will only have screwed up (in my opinion) if we go out to Sunderland.

 

[Cena]

It isn't as simple at that though is it? All premiership players are at the peak of fitness. Playing at 95% makes a difference at this level. Sunderland have no midweek game so their fitness levels will be higher come Saturday. The difference between 100% and 95% could be the game.

I've heard it all now.

Those players playing CL and EL, but who still finish in the top 4 places, must be freaks then, they seem to handle 2 games a week and still win

 

[Arsene]

Well he won't rest players for a semi. I agree there are no guarantees. We may lose on Saturday. If we do then Moyes will have made a huge mistake this week as our season will be virtually over. My point is that last night's result has to be seen in the bigger picture. Moyes will only have screwed up (in my opinion) if we go out to Sunderland.

A win in the cup doesnt justify resting players and pretty much throwing the game. If Everton win next game its not only because players were rested. The game last night was huge for Everton. You could actually have overtaken them in the league, that would have lifted the fans and the players. That would put even more pressure on Liverpool and there would have been a good feel factor coming into the cup game. You cant lose to your local rivals and say you are not disappointed. Can you imagine if this was a foreign manager who said that? Everyone would be on his back and say he doesnt get it

 

[mr kearns]

Don't less this terrible loss to the ****e mask the real reason why Moyes has got to go - even when he wins, even when he gets results (like 3 points in 2 games!!!), the football is incredibly negative and boring. School of science my ass...

 

[Deanjam]

I've heard it all now.

Those players playing CL and EL, but who still finish in the top 4 places, must be freaks then, they seem to handle 2 games a week and still win

No, they are better players. And they have more depth in their squads. It's a consequence of having money to build a decent squad. Everton rotating Anichebe & Stracq into the team is obviously not going to bring the same result as City rotating Dzeko & Tevez into theirs.

 

[Cena]

No, they are better players. And they have more depth in their squads. It's a consequence of having money to build a decent squad. Everton rotating Anichebe & Stracq into the team is obviously not going to bring the same result as City rotating Dzeko & Tevez into theirs.

Why rotate at all?

If Rooney's fit, he plays for Utd every game, same when Lampard & Terry where in their pomp at Chelsea, and Gerrard at Liverpool, they don't get rested for midweek games coz they're only at 95% or whatever

 

[Deanjam]

A win in the cup doesnt justify resting players and pretty much throwing the game. If Everton win next game its not only because players were rested. The game last night was huge for Everton. You could actually have overtaken them in the league, that would have lifted the fans and the players. That would put even more pressure on Liverpool and there would have been a good feel factor coming into the cup game. You cant lose to your local rivals and say you are not disappointed. Can you imagine if this was a foreign manager who said that? Everyone would be on his back and say he doesnt get it

I don't understand the argument that they threw the game. That team last night was weakened but I would still expect it to be capable of getting a result against an under-performing Liverpool. Hibbert, Jagielka, Pienaar have been key players for Everton. The problem was the two strikers, who are not really good enough.

You are absolutely right on the difference between media views of foreign & domestic managers. Moyes (along with Redknapp, Hodgson etc) does get over praised in the press.

 

[met069]

Moyes dropped the ball IMO. Even ignoring who our opponents were, we would have gone 7th place with a win and made European qualification through league position a distinct possibility...

But nevertheless, Moyes IN.

 

[Deanjam]

Why rotate at all?

If Rooney's fit, he plays for Utd every game, same when Lampard & Terry where in their pomp at Chelsea, and Gerrard at Liverpool, they don't get rested for midweek games coz they're only at 95% or whatever

Certain players yes. And it's a fair point if you think the players could have coped with all 3 games. I disagree with that view, but there's no way to prove it one way or the other since the decision has already been made. I would point out though that all the top European sides do rotate regularly in certain areas (whilst keeping the spine of the team largely the same, as you suggest with your examples). Last night's team still had Howard, Baines, Jagielka, Fellaini and Pienaar. A pretty solid group to rotate around. I do think we only really lacked in the forward two last night. We were getting on top of the game right before Liverpool scored their first and if the Stracq headed chance had fallen to a better player the game could have been different. It hurts because it was Liverpool, of that there's no doubt. But Moyes is thinking of the 3 games collectively and if we win against Sunderland to go along with the Spurs win then I can live with last night's defeat.