Migrant Crisis

[oldblue]

Do you live in an area that is heavily populated with migrants?

why? should our opinions be based on entirely on what is at our doorstep. You seem to have strong opinions on people you have never met.
I have lived in multi-cultural areas. Not had much trouble there. Lived in an area growing up that was pretty much exclusively white and been threatened with violence and attacked on several occassions. I am tolerant enough to know though that there are non-white areas that have problems with violence too. which is why I prefer a mix.
Just out of interest... has it occured to you that not everyone on here is white and that some might be Muslim. Are you willing to discuss this with someone who is Muslim and hasn't committed any offence in their life? Not getting at you. Just think it may be a more enlightening conversation for everyone

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

So where will they go? What areas will be considered

100 in Liverpool if the Mayor gets his way.

I welcome these people. Little bit of assistance to let them get onto their own two feet and then they will contribute.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

And yet you errode the building blocks of tolerance, integration and hospitality, upon which the UK is built. You keep protecting fella. And when you look back on your life in years to come I hope you are proud of your achievements.

And remember if you leave a legacy through descendents, one day it could be them asking for protection.

But why's it for Western Europe to almost exclusively harbour the overwhelming majority of these refugees/asylum seekers? And why is it the ones who have stayed close by are in poorer arab countries like Lebanon & Jordan? Where's the oil-rich arab states' efforts & offers to help?

Thought islam was the religion of peace & tolerance & charity?? That's what they tell us, day after day. Don't see enough evidence of it though.

ISIS are supposedly not acting in the name of islam - so why don't the islamic arab states take in their fellow muslim refugees & fight isis if that's the case? ISIS are supposedly not muslims, after all. Until the West fights back to protect innocent people - then they're muslims.

But islam is: "a peaceful, tolerant & charitable religion." Is it, indeed?

Tell that to the mainly muslim refugees who are being persecuted & butchered by their fellow muslims, while receiving very little in the way of assistance from same fellow muslims.

Tell that to the Christians in South Sudan, tell that to the Christians in Timor-Leste, tell that to the Christians, buddhists & hindus in Gujarat, Thailand, the Philipines and everywhere else where the islamists are trying or have tried to subjugate - by terror - the non-muslim populace. Tell them that there's refuge for them in the nearest muslim country & they'll be well looked after.....Because of all the things the muslims describe islam as being.

As for the legacy Christians have left the muslims through our descendants, it's the crusades. Ask them. That's one of the first things that they'll come up with.

 

[SNova]

are you 'telling it like it is' as well?

You can't just let millions in and you can't just let millions die. So yes, I'd say the option I presented is the most realistic.

 

[oldblue]

100 in Liverpool if the Mayor gets his way.

I welcome these people. Little bit of assistance to let them get onto their own two feet and then they will contribute.

sadly this is another big issue. free advice about what you are entitled to and support over things like PTSD was one of the first thing this Government slashed for everyone. If English is not your first language it is an extra issue. It is devastating communities. We are becoming a genuinely heartless nation.

 

[Blue 1]

But why's it for Western Europe to almost exclusively harbour the overwhelming majority of these refugees/asylum seekers? And why is it the ones who have stayed close by are in poorer arab countries like Lebanon & Jordan? Where's the oil-rich arab states' efforts & offers to help?

Thought islam was the religion of peace & tolerance & charity?? That's what they tell us, day after day. Don't see enough evidence of it though.

ISIS are supposedly not acting in the name of islam - so why don't the islamic arab states take in their fellow muslim refugees & fight isis if that's the case? ISIS are supposedly not muslims, after all. Until the West fights back to protect innocent people - then they're muslims.

But islam is: "a peaceful, tolerant & charitable religion." Is it, indeed?

Tell that to the mainly muslim refugees who are being persecuted & butchered by their fellow muslims, while receiving very little in the way of assistance from same fellow muslims.

Tell that to the Christians in South Sudan, tell that to the Christians in Timor-Leste, tell that to the Christians, buddhists & hindus in Gujarat, Thailand, the Philipines and everywhere else where the islamists are trying or have tried to subjugate - by terror - the non-muslim populace. Tell them that there's refuge for them in the nearest muslim country & they'll be well looked after.....Because of all the things the muslims describe islam as being.

As for the legacy Christians have left the muslims through our descendants, it's the crusades. Ask them. That's one of the first things that they'll come up with.

Thailand does not have an Islamist movement. It is a seperatist movement that exists because the three (four?, can't quite remember) southernmost Thai provinces were not historically part of Siam/Thailand, are culturally quite different from the rest of the country and have historically received quite shabby treatment from the government in Bangkok. Those who have tried to recruit them as part of some pan-global jihadist movement have received short shrift.

The origins of most of these conflicts are quite different, and religion, in these instances Islam, while a great motivator to do evil (and arguably good) isn't always the driving force. Correlation ≠ cause.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

why? should our opinions be based on entirely on what is at our doorstep. You seem to have strong opinions on people you have never met.
I have lived in multi-cultural areas. Not had much trouble there. Lived in an area growing up that was pretty much exclusively white and been threatened with violence and attacked on several occassions. I am tolerant enough to know though that there are non-white areas that have problems with violence too. which is why I prefer a mix.
Just out of interest... has it occured to you that not everyone on here is white and that some might be Muslim. Are you willing to discuss this with someone who is Muslim and hasn't committed any offence in their life? Not getting at you. Just think it may be a more enlightening conversation for everyone

im very liberal. i havent got any rasist tendancies. i can talk to ANYONE, in a fair and equal manner, i dont judge people at all. i have an opinion like everybody else on here and i like to air my views.

i have nothing to hide here.


im just concerned with our ever bulging population. and concerened with the amount of people actually willing to die to get to our country. it is completly non sensical. (i am reffering to economic/illegal migrants rather than syrian refuggees, alltho that does worry me that we will have a vast influx of terrorists amoungst them)

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

And therefore the irony of a more civilised west becomes lost....

The mid east nations don't help so the west wont

And why should we do so in disproportion?

It's about time the middle-east oil-rich nations lived up to their responsibilities - it's happening on their own doorstep to the same muslims they're meant to show charity & compassion to. As I keep saying, twas the west sorted out the balkans while they did sod-all other than express their outrage - but where were they & where was their 'outrage' when the Christians in East Timor or South Sudan were being slaughtered by muslims on an industrial scale?

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

im very liberal. i havent got any rasist tendancies. i can talk to ANYONE, in a fair and equal manner, i dont judge people at all. i have an opinion like everybody else on here and i like to air my views.

i have nothing to hide here.


im just concerned with our ever bulging population. and concerened with the amount of people actually willing to die to get to our country. it is completly non sensical. (i am reffering to economic/illegal migrants rather than syrian refuggees, alltho that does worry me that we will have a vast influx of terrorists amoungst them)

I too have concerns about the growing population, however this country is not close to being 'full'.

It does make sense to try to die to get here when you're resigning yourself to an early death if you stay where you started - and that is the majority.

 

[Blue 1]

And why should we do so in disproportion?

It's about time the middle-east oil-rich nations lived up to their responsibilities - it's happening on their own doorstep to the same muslims they're meant to show charity & compassion to. As I keep saying, twas the west sorted out the balkans while they did sod-all other than express their outrage - but where were they & where was their 'outrage' when the Christians in East Timor or South Sudan were being slaughtered by muslims on an industrial scale?

The Saudis undoubtedly have a hell of a lot to answer for, but our government seems happy to turn a blind eye to this as long as they keep trading with us.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

I too have concerns about the growing population, however this country is not close to being 'full'.

It does make sense to try to die to get here when you're resigning yourself to an early death if you stay where you started.

can we agree that 99% of europe is a safe haven for an asylum seeker??

if yes, then why do these asylum seekers travel throughout europe in a bid to get to the UK, risking theirs and their families lives in the process, when any number of countries they travel thro will happily accept them??

theres an actual que in France of people willing to die just to have a go at getting here. why is that? i dont get it?

 

[daylightrobber]

But why's it for Western Europe to almost exclusively harbour the overwhelming majority of these refugees/asylum seekers? And why is it the ones who have stayed close by are in poorer arab countries like Lebanon & Jordan? Where's the oil-rich arab states' efforts & offers to help?

Thought islam was the religion of peace & tolerance & charity?? That's what they tell us, day after day. Don't see enough evidence of it though.

ISIS are supposedly not acting in the name of islam - so why don't the islamic arab states take in their fellow muslim refugees & fight isis if that's the case? ISIS are supposedly not muslims, after all. Until the West fights back to protect innocent people - then they're muslims.

But islam is: "a peaceful, tolerant & charitable religion." Is it, indeed?

Tell that to the mainly muslim refugees who are being persecuted & butchered by their fellow muslims, while receiving very little in the way of assistance from same fellow muslims.

Tell that to the Christians in South Sudan, tell that to the Christians in Timor-Leste, tell that to the Christians, buddhists & hindus in Gujarat, Thailand, the Philipines and everywhere else where the islamists are trying or have tried to subjugate - by terror - the non-muslim populace. Tell them that there's refuge for them in the nearest muslim country & they'll be well looked after.....Because of all the things the muslims describe islam as being.

As for the legacy Christians have left the muslims through our descendants, it's the crusades. Ask them. That's one of the first things that they'll come up with.

It shouldn't be. It's a global crisis requiring a global response. However, to argue that we shouldn't help because others aren't is quite frankly pathetic. Until we have done everything we can, we shouldn't be criticising others.

In regards to the Muslim bashing, I'll hold my tongue.

 

[Blue 1]

can we agree that 99% of europe is a safe haven for an asylum seeker??

if yes, then why do these asylum seekers travel throughout europe in a bid to get to the UK, risking theirs and their families lives in the process, when any number of countries they travel thro will happily accept them??

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/why-do-the-migrants-in-calais-want-to-come-to-the-uk/

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Thailand does not have an Islamist movement. It is a seperatist movement that exists because the three (four?, can't quite remember) southernmost Thai provinces were not historically part of Siam/Thailand, are culturally quite different from the rest of the country and have historically received quite shabby treatment from the government in Bangkok. Those who have tried to recruit them as part of some pan-global jihadist movement have received short shrift.

The origins of most of these conflicts are quite different, and religion, in these instances Islam, while a great motivator to do evil (and arguably good) isn't always the driving force. Correlation ≠ cause.

Missing the point. They want Islamist rule, they're trying to get it through terrorist activity.

Uighurs are muslims. The part of China (Xinjiang) they're in and want independence from, was China long before islam came about. Long before. Same goes for India. Buddhists Hindus & jainist were all around long before islam.

EDIT: So was Christianity & Judaism, for that matter.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

can we agree that 99% of europe is a safe haven for an asylum seeker??

if yes, then why do these asylum seekers travel throughout europe in a bid to get to the UK, risking theirs and their families lives in the process, when any number of countries they travel thro will happily accept them??

theres an actual que in France of people willing to die just to have a go at getting here. why is that? i dont get it?

Yeah, 99% of it is safer than where they came from but opportunity is often limited compared to the UK. You're only going to die young anyway if you're feeding off scraps in a damp miserable tent in Calais.