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Michael Jackson
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Frang
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Now your getting really wild....
dandydan
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Individually nothing remarkable, but you don't need a tin foil lovers monthly subscrption to think somethings fishy about a lot of potential whistleblowers dying suddenly.
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We believed what the child was telling us,” says Bill Dworin, a retired detective and expert on pedophilia.
A 34-year veteran of the LAPD, he’s investigated more than 4,000 sexual exploitation cases. He was also one of the lead detectives investigating the charges against Jackson. And for the first time, he is talking about the investigation from the inside, exclusively with “Dateline.”
Dworin: “Everybody who listened to this child, ‘cause he’s not only interviewed by my officers, he was interviewed by Department of Children and Family Services, he was interviewed by the district attorney’s office at a later date, we were all satisfied he was a very credible witness.”
Mankiewicz: “You’ve been at this a long time. You no doubt have interviewed children whose stories were rehearsed or coached for one reason or another.”
Dworin: “That’s correct. In this instance, we didn’t feel that it was coached. We felt that the child was telling us the truth.”
Police did know the victim’s family had approached Jackson, looking for a financial settlement. But Dworin says the boy’s story stood up under questioning, and immediately all of Jackson’s homes were searched for evidence, including the singer’s Neverland ranch. And for the first time time, an investigating officer is talking on the record about what he found.
Dworin: “We found books and the books depicted children in the nude. This itself is not a crime.”
The nude photographs were not pornography, by the legal definition, and Jackson says he does not remember having them. But to Dworin any nude photo of a child in the home of a 34-year-old man is suspicious.
Dworin: “Pedophiles will frequently have this material available.”
Mankiewicz: “Because?”
Dworin: “Because they can obtain it legally It’s not illegal to possess, and it’s used for sexual satisfaction and arousal.”
Besides the pictures, Dworin was suspicious of the setup he found in Jackson’s bedroom.
Dworin: “You had to approach the bedroom by a hallway. And in going down this hallway, it sets off an alarm in Jackson’s bedroom.”
Mankiewicz: “Which suggests what to you?”
Dworin: “To me, it suggested that it was a warning in case something was occurring that was improper, that that activity would stop.”
Mankiewicz: “Is it not also possible that this was someone who’s worried about fans breaking into the house or worried about crime and you know wanted to be tipped off in the event that there was an intruder?”
Dworin: “No, at the— at his ranch, he had sufficient security, not to be concerned about intruders.”
Mankiewicz: “So you think that alarm system had a different purpose than alerting Michael Jackson to a burglar?”
Dworin: “Oh, absolutely. It was just for his bedroom. Not for the rest of the house. It was just for anybody approaching his bedroom door. He knows when someone’s approaching that door.”
And inside the bedroom...
Dworin: “Walking into Michael Jackson’s bedroom was like walking into a 13-year-old’s bedroom. There was a lot of material that 13-year-olds would be interested in doing and playing with. Games. Various objects that would be an attraction to 13-year-olds.
Mankiewicz: “Okay, now you see that bedroom through the eyes of a seasoned child molestation investigator. Is it not also possible that Michael Jackson is sort of a child-like guy who didn’t have much of a childhood when he lived at home. And so because he’s wealthy and self-indulgent, he’s having one now.”
Dworin: “Oh, very much so. And that’s my concern. This is very common. I’ve seen this type of activity, this type of material found in hundreds of homes that I’ve entered. Things that are of an interest to children that will lure the children into that house is also in fact an interest to that adult who has had sexual interest in children.”
Dworin says one critical piece of corroborating evidence was found not in Michael Jackson’s home, but on Michael Jackson’s body: an intimate description that the young boy gave police.
Dworin: “We had served a search warrant to photograph Michael Jackson. Those photographs corroborated the description that the boy gave us regarding Michael Jackson’s genitals.”
Mankiewicz: “The boy was able to describe discolorations of Jackson’s skin?”
Dworin: “Yes.”
Mankiewicz: “On his genitals, accurately.”
Dworin: “Very much so.”
To hear former detective Bill Dworin tell it, that investigation convinced the police. But prosecutors wanted more evidence if they were going to charge Michael Jackson with sex crimes.
Dworin: “They wanted the smoking gun. We could not produce the smoking gun.”
Mankiewicz: “And a smoking gun in this case would have been what, a photograph of the two of them having sex?”
Dworin: “Of course, that would be great, but we didn’t have that.”
Mankiewicz: “Did that make it impossible to go forward?”
Dworin: “It made it difficult.”
Mankiewicz: “Difficult because you never go forward without physical evidence or because the accused in this case was a huge celebrity?
Dworin: “I believe it’s because he was a huge celebrity.”
Mankiewicz: “Was Michael Jackson guilty?”
Dworin: “I believe he has a sexual interest in boys.”
But Bill Dworin would never have a chance to talk to a jury about Michael Jackson. District attorneys in Los Angeles and Santa Barbara declined to move forward, saying they couldn’t prosecute without a cooperating witness
A 34-year veteran of the LAPD, he’s investigated more than 4,000 sexual exploitation cases. He was also one of the lead detectives investigating the charges against Jackson. And for the first time, he is talking about the investigation from the inside, exclusively with “Dateline.”
Dworin: “Everybody who listened to this child, ‘cause he’s not only interviewed by my officers, he was interviewed by Department of Children and Family Services, he was interviewed by the district attorney’s office at a later date, we were all satisfied he was a very credible witness.”
Mankiewicz: “You’ve been at this a long time. You no doubt have interviewed children whose stories were rehearsed or coached for one reason or another.”
Dworin: “That’s correct. In this instance, we didn’t feel that it was coached. We felt that the child was telling us the truth.”
Police did know the victim’s family had approached Jackson, looking for a financial settlement. But Dworin says the boy’s story stood up under questioning, and immediately all of Jackson’s homes were searched for evidence, including the singer’s Neverland ranch. And for the first time time, an investigating officer is talking on the record about what he found.
Dworin: “We found books and the books depicted children in the nude. This itself is not a crime.”
The nude photographs were not pornography, by the legal definition, and Jackson says he does not remember having them. But to Dworin any nude photo of a child in the home of a 34-year-old man is suspicious.
Dworin: “Pedophiles will frequently have this material available.”
Mankiewicz: “Because?”
Dworin: “Because they can obtain it legally It’s not illegal to possess, and it’s used for sexual satisfaction and arousal.”
Besides the pictures, Dworin was suspicious of the setup he found in Jackson’s bedroom.
Dworin: “You had to approach the bedroom by a hallway. And in going down this hallway, it sets off an alarm in Jackson’s bedroom.”
Mankiewicz: “Which suggests what to you?”
Dworin: “To me, it suggested that it was a warning in case something was occurring that was improper, that that activity would stop.”
Mankiewicz: “Is it not also possible that this was someone who’s worried about fans breaking into the house or worried about crime and you know wanted to be tipped off in the event that there was an intruder?”
Dworin: “No, at the— at his ranch, he had sufficient security, not to be concerned about intruders.”
Mankiewicz: “So you think that alarm system had a different purpose than alerting Michael Jackson to a burglar?”
Dworin: “Oh, absolutely. It was just for his bedroom. Not for the rest of the house. It was just for anybody approaching his bedroom door. He knows when someone’s approaching that door.”
And inside the bedroom...
Dworin: “Walking into Michael Jackson’s bedroom was like walking into a 13-year-old’s bedroom. There was a lot of material that 13-year-olds would be interested in doing and playing with. Games. Various objects that would be an attraction to 13-year-olds.
Mankiewicz: “Okay, now you see that bedroom through the eyes of a seasoned child molestation investigator. Is it not also possible that Michael Jackson is sort of a child-like guy who didn’t have much of a childhood when he lived at home. And so because he’s wealthy and self-indulgent, he’s having one now.”
Dworin: “Oh, very much so. And that’s my concern. This is very common. I’ve seen this type of activity, this type of material found in hundreds of homes that I’ve entered. Things that are of an interest to children that will lure the children into that house is also in fact an interest to that adult who has had sexual interest in children.”
Dworin says one critical piece of corroborating evidence was found not in Michael Jackson’s home, but on Michael Jackson’s body: an intimate description that the young boy gave police.
Dworin: “We had served a search warrant to photograph Michael Jackson. Those photographs corroborated the description that the boy gave us regarding Michael Jackson’s genitals.”
Mankiewicz: “The boy was able to describe discolorations of Jackson’s skin?”
Dworin: “Yes.”
Mankiewicz: “On his genitals, accurately.”
Dworin: “Very much so.”
To hear former detective Bill Dworin tell it, that investigation convinced the police. But prosecutors wanted more evidence if they were going to charge Michael Jackson with sex crimes.
Dworin: “They wanted the smoking gun. We could not produce the smoking gun.”
Mankiewicz: “And a smoking gun in this case would have been what, a photograph of the two of them having sex?”
Dworin: “Of course, that would be great, but we didn’t have that.”
Mankiewicz: “Did that make it impossible to go forward?”
Dworin: “It made it difficult.”
Mankiewicz: “Difficult because you never go forward without physical evidence or because the accused in this case was a huge celebrity?
Dworin: “I believe it’s because he was a huge celebrity.”
Mankiewicz: “Was Michael Jackson guilty?”
Dworin: “I believe he has a sexual interest in boys.”
But Bill Dworin would never have a chance to talk to a jury about Michael Jackson. District attorneys in Los Angeles and Santa Barbara declined to move forward, saying they couldn’t prosecute without a cooperating witness
Tommy Chong
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No, but seriously...
Is there any doubt that he was guilty?!
OnlyBlueWillDo
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Only thing I'll say about Jill Dando is it was 100% a professional hit, someone paid for that.
Blueclouds
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Thought it was about drugs tbh
Dworin: “Because they can obtain it legally It’s not illegal to possess, and it’s used for sexual satisfaction and arousal.”
It's amazing that nude photographs of children can be obtained legally, and it's not illegal to possess them.
It's amazing that nude photographs of children can be obtained legally, and it's not illegal to possess them.
Billysgingham.
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ooh someone's looking for a nark.
Billysgingham.
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I known mate there was another as well I try to stay out of this thread.
Diogenes the Cynic
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Do you realise how many works of art would be classified illegal?
Photographs?
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