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He may have used his willy.....
Jacko had it according to the poster......
N.S.N.O.
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Thankfully any 7 year old would easily be able to outrun Keane if needed...
The Birmingham 6 were proven guilty in a court of law.
What You Should Know About the New Michael Jackson Documentary
Recent allegations against the pop icon are disturbing. But do they hold up to scrutiny?
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I just don’t buy the argument that Jackson’s defenders believe in the sanctity of court decisions more than anyone else or that they are supporting him against mob rule.
There was no similar support for Saville and there isn’t for R Kelly. You could even use Shamima Begum as an example. None of these people have been found guilty of anything in court but none have the same level of support as Michael Jackson.
What is your reason for defending him and not the others? If it’s that he wrote some good songs with a decent beat that’s fine but it must come with an acceptance that you are overlooking, at best, some pretty suspect behaviour.
Just got around to finishing Finding Neverland.
Don’t think there’s any doubt he had a very unhealthy infactuatuon with young boys.
However I don’t think this doc offers anything in the way of evidence and the 2 lads (especially the aussie one) don’t come across as credible at all. It’s like he was trying to offer sound bytes that were as shocking as possible without offering anything of evidential value.
Was he a nonce of galactic proportions? Most likely, yes.
If I had kids myself I wouldn’t let them even let them into the same country as this man, much less in his bed.
But...
Did he actually act on that and fiddle with these kids? I don’t think we’ll ever know the answer to that question in all honesty.
I’ll still listen to his music though. Not even arsed, he gets the ‘Pete Townsend’ pass from me
Don’t think there’s any doubt he had a very unhealthy infactuatuon with young boys.
However I don’t think this doc offers anything in the way of evidence and the 2 lads (especially the aussie one) don’t come across as credible at all. It’s like he was trying to offer sound bytes that were as shocking as possible without offering anything of evidential value.
Was he a nonce of galactic proportions? Most likely, yes.
If I had kids myself I wouldn’t let them even let them into the same country as this man, much less in his bed.
But...
Did he actually act on that and fiddle with these kids? I don’t think we’ll ever know the answer to that question in all honesty.
I’ll still listen to his music though. Not even arsed, he gets the ‘Pete Townsend’ pass from me
d34noj
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Because for the other 2, theres no clear financial motive, and no evidence pointing to the contrary mate. I'm not over looking anything, in fact it's the opposite - it's his detractors who are doing just that. With Jackson, there was a massive, multi-million dollar investigation by the FBI, they found nothing. People watch the documentary and assume they are telling the truth because it's bad, without knowing any kind of back story or counter argument because that's the entire point of it - it's a hatchet job aimed at causing a siege mentality.
R Kelly literally recorded himself noncing and keeps women and girls hostage. Saville was an open secret at the BBC for decades and everyone knew, yet literally hundreds closest to Jackson including other kids defend him.
Like you say, its mob rule.
d34noj
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Not an Ian Watkins cross against his name.
larrygobfiend
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Same with MJ
d34noj
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Do you have any links to that mate? can't find anything myself. All I can find is tabloid gossip regarding the 2 in the documentary.
larrygobfiend
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1. There is no dispute that, at age 34, Michael Jackson slept more than 30 nights in a row in the same bed with 13-year-old Jordie Chandler at the boy’s house with Chandler’s mother present. He also slept in the same bed with Jordie Chandler at Chandler’s father’s house. The parents were divorced.
2. So far, five boys Michael Jackson shared beds with have accused him of abuse: Jordie Chandler, Jason Francia, Gavin Arvizo, Wade Robson, and Jimmy Safechuck. Jackson had the same nickname for Chandler and Arvizo: “Rubba.” He called Robson “Little One” and Safechuck “Applehead.”
3. Jackson paid $25 million to settle the Chandlers’ lawsuit, with $18 million going to Jordie, $2.5 million to each of the parents, and the rest to lawyers. Jackson said he paid that sum to avoid something “long and drawn out.” Francia also received $2.4 million from Jackson.
4. Michael Jackson suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo. Jordie Chandler drew a picture of the markings on the underside of Jackson’s penis. His drawings were sealed in an envelope. A few months later, investigators photographed Jackson’s genitalia. The photographs matched Chandler’s drawings.
5. The hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom was a serious security zone covered by video and wired for sound so that the steps of anyone approaching would make ding-dong sounds.
6. Jackson had an extensive collection of adult erotic material he kept in a suitcase next to his bed, including S&M bondage photos and a study of naked boys. Forensic experts with experience in the Secret Service found the fingerprints of boys alongside Jackson’s on the same pages. Jackson also had bondage sculptures of women with ball gags in their mouths on his desk, in full view of the boys who slept there.
7. According to the Neverland staff interviewed by the Santa Barbara authorities, no one ever saw or knew of a woman spending the night with Michael Jackson, including his two spouses, Debbie Rowe or Lisa Marie Presley. Rowe, the mother of two of Jackson’s children, made it clear to the Santa Barbara authorities that she never had sex with Jackson.
8. The parents of boys Jackson shared beds with were courted assiduously and given myriad expensive gifts. Wade Robson’s mother testified in the 2005 trial that she funneled wages through Jackson’s company and was given a permanent resident visa. Jimmy Safechuck’s parents got a house. Jordie Chandler’s mother got a diamond bracelet.
9. Two of the fathers of those who have accused Jackson, Jordie Chandler and Wade Robson, committed suicide. Both were estranged from their sons at the time.
10. In a 2002 documentary, Living with Michael Jackson, Jackson told Martin Bashir there was nothing wrong with sharing his bed with boys.
harris78
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Items that were recovered from Neverland during police raid. Im not saying it makes him a nonce....but he was a bad nonce!
Evidence Item #507. Piece of notebook paper, with drawn image of boy inside a circle.
Impressions of writing from words written on other sheets on top of this one in the pad; indecipherable words.
Evidence Item #508. Book with images of ‘nude teenagers and/or young adults’
Located in upstairs library area of video/game room. The book was titled, The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extreme, with no listed author.
The investigator noted that this book focuses on ‘adolescents and counter culture,’ contained lots of images of semi-clothed or naked ‘teenagers and/or young adults’ and actually isn’t illegal under US law. But, it represents a tool that could be used to ‘lower the inhibitions of intended victims’ and ‘facilitate the molestation of said individuals’.
Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.
The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults. Same location as item #508.
Evidence Item #510. Disneyland plastic bag containing underclothes and bloodied bed linens. The Garden City bag also contained:
Evidence Item #517. Compact disc.
Contents duplicated at police crime lab, before returned to evidence bag.
Evidence Item #302. Pornographic magazine.
The Best of Club, Issue no. 201. Also suspected by the inspecting officer to be ‘grooming’ materials.
Page 3.
Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.
Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report.
Page 7.
Evidence Item #303. Three books containing nude photographs, including those of teenagers and pre-teenagers.
Naked and semi-clothed images of women ‘in sexually explicit poses,’ as well as naked men as filmed by a gay photographer. One book contained semi-clothed or fully-nude teenagers or pre-teenagers, according to the report.
Evidence Item #304. Two pornographic magazines, two ‘nude art books’
Magazines were Barely Legal and Girls of Penthouse, with one book titled, The Gynoids Genetically Manipulated. That book contained, according to the report, ‘appeared to have a fetish (bondage, Sadomasichism, piercings, etc.) related theme’.
Page 8.
Evidence Item #305. Photograph of McCauley Caulkin.
Taken on set from a Home Alone movie, comically signed by the actor.
Page 9.
Evidence #306. Pornographic magazine inside a metal briefcase.
Couples, Volume 7, Issue 2.
Evidence #307. Book with pictures of nude men.
The models are posing only, and not in sexually explicit or suggestive poses.
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/03/04/gambino-v-glassnote-settlement/
Evidence #309. Black leather laptop bag containing pornographic magazines and DVDs, several sheets of paper.
Of the pieces of paper, one simply contained the words, ‘Paris and me’. Another was a Guess ad ripped from a magazine. The DVD was separated into evidence number #309-A. Other items in the bag included a pen, business card from Goldman Sachs, ripped-up fax pertaining to a concert details, batteries, jewelry, children’s book, some handwritten notes, and a syringe. It also contained a letter from a counselor at the Gary Community School Corporation, arranging plans to bring children to visit California in the first half of 2004.
Also included were notes between Jackson and Gavin Arvizo, who later accused the pop star of molestation.
The DVDs were the following titles: Michael Ryan’s Believe It or Not, which featured hardcore pornography, and Sloppy Dogs Presents: [Poor language removed] Me, I’m a Bad Girl.
There were also two issues of Gallery, a pornographic magazine.
Evidence Item #313. Book containing nude photographs.
No images sexually explicit in nature.
Other items described in court filings (contained within the same document stack):
Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson.
Book: ‘In Search of Young Beauty,’ containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude.
Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude.
Photograph: Noted in the document as ‘believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.’
Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down.
Evidence Item #363:
12 pornographic magazines;
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/03/08/emi-music-publishing-kanye-west/
12 nudist magazines, vintage 1930s.
Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club’
Photo book, young adult male models, some nude.
Evidence Item #365: Pornographic books, including images of naked children.
‘The Christy Report’, nude images from the 1940s, some described as sadomasochistic.
‘Robert Maxwell Photographs,’ various images, including those of children.
Evidence Item #366: Several books, containing images of nude men and children.
Nude images of a nude male couple, another contained nude images of men from the 1800s. Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens’ faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children.
Another book, Man: A Sexual Study of Man, described as a ‘graphic primer for homosexuals,’ including pictures of masturbation, oral and anal sex, homosexual erotica.
This evidence group also includes ‘two dozen nudist magazines’.
Evidence Item #301: Five pornographic DVDs.
Includes ‘Pimps Up – Ho’s Down,’ plus 4 ‘Barely Legal’ DVDs.
Items found across several laptop computers:
(also from subsequent court papers now released and added to the documentation)
Evidence Item #507. Piece of notebook paper, with drawn image of boy inside a circle.
Impressions of writing from words written on other sheets on top of this one in the pad; indecipherable words.
Evidence Item #508. Book with images of ‘nude teenagers and/or young adults’
Located in upstairs library area of video/game room. The book was titled, The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extreme, with no listed author.
The investigator noted that this book focuses on ‘adolescents and counter culture,’ contained lots of images of semi-clothed or naked ‘teenagers and/or young adults’ and actually isn’t illegal under US law. But, it represents a tool that could be used to ‘lower the inhibitions of intended victims’ and ‘facilitate the molestation of said individuals’.
Evidence Item #509. Book with pictures of nude children.
The hard cover book is titled Cronos, by author Pere Formigeura, contains images of nude children of both sexes, as well as adults. Same location as item #508.
Evidence Item #510. Disneyland plastic bag containing underclothes and bloodied bed linens. The Garden City bag also contained:
- a bright orange pair of shorts, size 4, ‘possibly for a young girl’.
- a new pair of Spiderman socks.
- child-sized, off-white t-shirt.
- pairs of gray, white, and blue child socks.
- a significant amount of clothing for an adult male.
Evidence Item #517. Compact disc.
Contents duplicated at police crime lab, before returned to evidence bag.
Evidence Item #302. Pornographic magazine.
The Best of Club, Issue no. 201. Also suspected by the inspecting officer to be ‘grooming’ materials.
Page 3.
Evidence Item #505. Books with pictures of nude children.
Three books, containing ‘photographs of nude and partially clothed children’. The investigator noted that the books contained images of partially clothed or naked children, as well as images of nude adults with children’s faces morphed on top. This technique may be used to sexualize and lower the inhibitions of a victim, according to the report.
Page 7.
Evidence Item #303. Three books containing nude photographs, including those of teenagers and pre-teenagers.
Naked and semi-clothed images of women ‘in sexually explicit poses,’ as well as naked men as filmed by a gay photographer. One book contained semi-clothed or fully-nude teenagers or pre-teenagers, according to the report.
Evidence Item #304. Two pornographic magazines, two ‘nude art books’
Magazines were Barely Legal and Girls of Penthouse, with one book titled, The Gynoids Genetically Manipulated. That book contained, according to the report, ‘appeared to have a fetish (bondage, Sadomasichism, piercings, etc.) related theme’.
Page 8.
Evidence Item #305. Photograph of McCauley Caulkin.
Taken on set from a Home Alone movie, comically signed by the actor.
Page 9.
Evidence #306. Pornographic magazine inside a metal briefcase.
Couples, Volume 7, Issue 2.
Evidence #307. Book with pictures of nude men.
The models are posing only, and not in sexually explicit or suggestive poses.
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/03/04/gambino-v-glassnote-settlement/
Evidence #309. Black leather laptop bag containing pornographic magazines and DVDs, several sheets of paper.
Of the pieces of paper, one simply contained the words, ‘Paris and me’. Another was a Guess ad ripped from a magazine. The DVD was separated into evidence number #309-A. Other items in the bag included a pen, business card from Goldman Sachs, ripped-up fax pertaining to a concert details, batteries, jewelry, children’s book, some handwritten notes, and a syringe. It also contained a letter from a counselor at the Gary Community School Corporation, arranging plans to bring children to visit California in the first half of 2004.
Also included were notes between Jackson and Gavin Arvizo, who later accused the pop star of molestation.
The DVDs were the following titles: Michael Ryan’s Believe It or Not, which featured hardcore pornography, and Sloppy Dogs Presents: [Poor language removed] Me, I’m a Bad Girl.
There were also two issues of Gallery, a pornographic magazine.
Evidence Item #313. Book containing nude photographs.
No images sexually explicit in nature.
Other items described in court filings (contained within the same document stack):
Book: ‘Boys Will be Boys,’ contains full frontal nudity of boys under the age of 14; personally inscribed by Michael Jackson.
Book: ‘In Search of Young Beauty,’ containing pictures of children, boys and girls, some nude.
Book: ‘The Boy, a Photographic Essay,’ containing images of boys, some nude.
Photograph: Noted in the document as ‘believed to be Jonathan Spence; fully nude.’
Photograph: young boy holding an umbrella, with bikini bottoms partially pulled down.
Evidence Item #363:
12 pornographic magazines;
https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2019/03/08/emi-music-publishing-kanye-west/
12 nudist magazines, vintage 1930s.
Evidence Item #364: ‘The Chop Suey Club’
Photo book, young adult male models, some nude.
Evidence Item #365: Pornographic books, including images of naked children.
‘The Christy Report’, nude images from the 1940s, some described as sadomasochistic.
‘Robert Maxwell Photographs,’ various images, including those of children.
Evidence Item #366: Several books, containing images of nude men and children.
Nude images of a nude male couple, another contained nude images of men from the 1800s. Photos of teenage males nude, images of adults with childrens’ faces morphed on top, some nude photos of children.
Another book, Man: A Sexual Study of Man, described as a ‘graphic primer for homosexuals,’ including pictures of masturbation, oral and anal sex, homosexual erotica.
This evidence group also includes ‘two dozen nudist magazines’.
Evidence Item #301: Five pornographic DVDs.
Includes ‘Pimps Up – Ho’s Down,’ plus 4 ‘Barely Legal’ DVDs.
Items found across several laptop computers:
(also from subsequent court papers now released and added to the documentation)
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