Michael Jackson

[arminisgod]

You can say it all you like mate, “innocent” is not an available verdict, because that isn’t where the burden of proof lies

So he was innocent?

 

[Tigger]

62 pages, only needed 1 to confirm he was a raging nonce really, would his defenders have happily left him in charge of their kids for a sleep over?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Alright sound. Like I said don't know the ins and outs. But just going off the documentary these two and their parents show zero emotion to what happened to them. Never struggling to talk about it or get upset. Just not normal at all for me that.

Think if you spoke to either people who’ve been through this sort of thing, or experts in the field, they’d pretty much uniformly tell you that “normal” doesn’t exist

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

So he was innocent?

A court failed to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt (the highest threshold of proof that exists in law). Only those involved know whether he was innocent.

 

[Connor]

Folks, your hero was a nonce.

 

[arminisgod]

A court failed to find him guilty. Only those involved know whether he was innocent.

Again.... He started from being innocent and wasn't found guilty... So he is innocent?

 

[arminisgod]

Think if you spoke to either people who’ve been through this sort of thing, or experts in the field, they’d pretty much uniformly tell you that “normal” doesn’t exist

And you'll find neither on here.

 

[Mozza1987]

Think if you spoke to either people who’ve been through this sort of thing, or experts in the field, they’d pretty much uniformly tell you that “normal” doesn’t exist

Just think you would act differently to how they all have come across that's all. Not one have got upset or looked upset or struggled to to talk about it in nearly 2 hours.

 

[ilikecheese]

People that commit crimes are ruled not guilty all the time.

A defense's primary goal is to create reasonable doubt. If they are successful they are found not guilty. Doesn't mean innocent at all.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Again.... He started from being innocent and wasn't found guilty... So he is innocent?

Give it a rest with the semantics.

It is clear that there is new unexplored evidence, untold stories, people who have been paid to remain silence, etc.

It's not as simple as just looking at the findings from a trial and taking that as gospel.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Again.... He started from being innocent and wasn't found guilty... So he is innocent?

No, he didn’t (necessarily) start from innocent in any real sense. He started from either having done it or not.

“Guilty until proven innocent” is a way to design a system of prosecution and legal liability (based on the belief that it’s more important to keep truly innocent people free than it is to lock up guilty people) - it’s not a categorical statement of fact.

If I murder someone today, I’m guilty of that crime, whether a court has sufficient evidence to find me as such or not.

 

[Mozza1987]

People that commit crimes are ruled not guilty all the time.

A defense's primary goal is to create reasonable doubt. If they are successful they are found not guilty. Doesn't mean innocent at all.

Very true. As if this documentary was say the evidence then I would say he was not guilty but would I be 100% confident he hadn't done something like this, no idea would be the answer. We will never know unless proper proof comes out I guess.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

And you'll find neither on here.

Statistically... yeah you will

 

[Toast]

People that commit crimes are ruled not guilty all the time.

A defense's primary goal is to create reasonable doubt. If they are successful they are found not guilty. Doesn't mean innocent at all.

Not proven.

One of the best days of my life in a court.

Not, not guilty.. but not proven. Job done.

As I've posted previously, a good brief is ace.

( I'm not a man who sleeps with other people's kids btw.. cos that's pyar weirdo nonce behaviour, but I do like some of his tunes)

 

[sageyefc]

His kids defo aren't his either