martinez out banner at watford

[chazzle_dazzle]

Good question and I think @Kiwi quickly nailed it on the head with the "Win football games by any means necessary" remark.

For many I think the time the decision has already been made, however for those still undecided (and for the board) it has to be victories.

A run of victories would relive some of the pressure so he'd have to go about getting those at any costs, hence sacrificing his philosophy.

Ugly and hard fought wins may not be as pleasing to the eye although they put points on the board and build momentum. Will he do that though?

I think he's dug himself a hole so deep down and he's become so entrenched in his ways, that he has become unable to save himself.

Not in a million years will he do that, he is too stubborn and steadfast in his belief that the way he wants to play football trumps all other ways of playing football.

He is a true believer in total football and will not deter from it - the problem is, what we have is not total football. its good (at times) attack, and utter garbage else where.

 

[PhilM]

Not in a million years will he do that, he is too stubborn and steadfast in his belief that the way he wants to play football trumps all other ways of playing football.

He is a true believer in total football and will not deter from it - the problem is, what we have is not total football. its good (at times) attack, and utter garbage else where.

I agree and it was posed more as a rhetorical question than expecting anything but the obvious no. Hence the 'entrenched in his ways' part.

Martinez is like the abused housewife: hoping that things will eventually change while being blind to the fact that the situation simply won't.

This season and the last has shown that his approach (in the mainstay) isn't working, and shoehorning onto the players is causing it all to collapse.

We've not seen any real fundamental changes apart from minor adaptations in two years, so expecting it to miraculously occur now is naive.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

I agree and it was posed more as a rhetorical question than expecting anything but the obvious no. Hence the 'entrenched in his ways' part.

Martinez is like the abused housewife: hoping that things will eventually change while being blind to the fact that the situation simply won't.

This season and the last has shown that his approach (in the mainstay) isn't working, and shoehorning onto the players is causing it all to collapse.

We've not seen any real fundamental changes apart from minor adaptations in two years, so expecting it to miraculously occur now is naive.

Watching this collapse is such a shame though... if he would have learned it could have been great but he has no interest in changing his outlook on how football should be played.

I said yesterday - if this was another club like the RS we would be absolutely in creases laughing at how [Poor language removed] they had become,

 

[PhilM]

I said yesterday - if this was another club like the RS we would be absolutely in creases laughing at how [Poor language removed] they had become,

If eventually goes, then with hindsight I think we'll all look back over the last two years and realise it's not been right for a while.

The problem is that rightly or wrongly we're a club who are based on stability, only having two managers in fourteen years.

We haven't sacked a manager since Walter Smith, so the idea of a manager being forcibly removed is alien to many or heavily frowned upon.

Has he been given too long? That's still up for debate, but I'm sure that other clubs would have be much more willing to give him the boot.

Still, I do not want to be come a knee-jerk club where transient managers come and go like players; that's what makes it such a difficult decision.

 

[DuncanDuncanFerguson]

Out

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

If eventually goes, then with hindsight I think we'll all look back over the last two years and realise it's not been right for a while.

The problem is that rightly or wrongly we're a club who are based on stability, only having two managers in fourteen years.

We haven't sacked a manager since Walter Smith, so the idea of a manager being forcibly removed is alien to many or heavily frowned upon.

Has he been given too long? That's still up for debate, but I'm sure that other clubs would have be much more willing to give him the boot.

Still, I do not want to be come a knee-jerk club where transient managers come and go like players; that's what makes it such a difficult decision.

Thats partially our problem really, as a fan base and club. I think the lot of us pride ourselves on giving people a chance and not hounding people out of the club.

lets be honest, Martinez would be sacked at a lot of other football clubs right now for his league performance. Laudrup won a cup and got sacked.

We are too nice, too sentimental. That needs to stop if we are to welcome in this "new era of everton football club" that everyone is talking about post the Moshiri investment.

 

[BlueShark]

I said yesterday - if this was another club like the RS we would be absolutely in creases laughing at how [Poor language removed] they had become,

To be fair mate I still do. Their collapse into mediocrity has been funny to watch. What alarms me now is the similarity between Brendan Rodgers in his death throes over there and Roberto Martinez's apparent swansong here. Their Board let him blow a huge amount of money in his last summer before sacking him early on in the season and putting them back even more. I can only hope our own Board are not as naïve.

 

[royalblue66]

Out

Out

 

[bcblue1878]

I honestly think he's lost the dressing room, for me it's more worrying keeping him for the semi final. I think having Royle or Dunc in charge might give them that bit more fight.

Never mind the semi final, scares me every bit as much that we have to go to "that place" three days before then, and I dread to think what may happen there if we turn up in the same frame of mind as we did for the Arsenal and Manure games!

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

To be fair mate I still do. Their collapse into mediocrity has been funny to watch. What alarms me now is the similarity between Brendan Rodgers in his death throes over there and Roberto Martinez's apparent swansong here. Their Board let him blow a huge amount of money in his last summer before sacking him early on in the season and putting them back even more. I can only hope our own Board are not as naïve.

Exactly - the went from 2nd to what did they end up was it 7th? and it was amazing to watch.

The thing is its happening to us but it feels worse like we are regressing so badly its painful, they lost Suarez which was going to have an impact, we are regressing with some of the best young talent in Europe... its just proper crap.

 

[Peter Reid's hard tackle]

Fair points.

He has had us underachieving for nearly 2 years now so not sure it would be considered a knee jerk reaction if we got rid.

I'm still not entirely in the out camp but he'd better learn some lessons really really quickly because he's currently taking us in the wrong direction.

 

[FisherEFC]

I still can't believe some people think he can/will change, I always wondered how people stayed in unhappy/abusive relationships but now I realise some people genuinely believe a person's psychological thinking can just switch.

Listen Roberto Martinez will never change who he is or how he thinks the game should be played, likewise Pulis will not one day become master of tiki taka football. If your happy with him then don't protest, if not we need to get him out now before he seriously damages this club.

 

[royalblue66]

Never mind the semi final, scares me every bit as much that we have to go to "that place" three days before then, and I dread to think what may happen there if we turn up in the same frame of mind as we did for the Arsenal and Manure games!

Michael Ball reckons,Martinez didn't have them prepared for the Man U game,if true that's shocking.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

I still can't believe some people think he can/will change, I always wondered how people stayed in unhappy/abusive relationships but now I realise some people genuinely believe a person's psychological thinking can just switch.

Listen Roberto Martinez will never change who he is or how he thinks the game should be played, likewise Pulis will not one day become master of tiki taka football. If your happy with him then don't protest, if not we need to get him out now before he seriously damages this club.

Oddly accurate that comparison, you can see the same thought patterns and processes used and their minds not changing even in the face of the available evidence.

 

[mini-Blues x 2]

They think its all over.........it is now