Martinez new Belgium head coach

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Think we'll disagree philosophically here Dave. A managers job is to get the best out of the players he has and improve the squad. His measure of success is first and foremost results. That has to be paramount over some idealistic philosophy of playing on the ground or whatever else. We didn't have the players to play his ideal style, yet he persisted in doing so to the detriment of the team as a whole. Good managers have the ability to adapt. Martinez clearly didn't. His legacy is 2 bottom half seasons out of 3 and losing the respect of both the fans and players.
His legacy at worst was two mid-table seasons.

I'm not suggesting that he saw that as his task - to change the style as the objective - that was just a byproduct of getting on with the job, as he could only play one way.

Now, should the way we played have been mixed up a bit in-game when you;re defending leads and seeing out games? For me, yes. No shame in that it just makes good sense.

But the point being made is that Martinez's time here, whatever you see him as having brought (good or bad), was a line drawn in the sand against a type of dreadful long ball style - a style we'd laboured to stop the rest of the world labelling us with.
 
I am now convinced that Dave is Martinez.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...erto-Martinez-talks-goal-World-Cup-glory.html

Roberto Martinez is bidding to go from being a Sunday League Under 9s boss to World Cup glory with Belgium
  • Roberto Martinez has been in charge of Belgium's national team for 10 months
  • International football has helped bring back a wave of nostalgia for Martinez
  • The 43-year-old says that to manage at a World Cup 'would be a dream'
  • Belgium's talented squad does, however, put fresh pressure on his shoulders
  • They are top of their World Cup qualifying group and haven't lost a game
For Roberto Martinez, international football has brought a wave of nostalgia, taking him back to a childhood where his World Cup love affair began.

'I still have my Panini stickers!' he grins. 'I was a nine-year-old, excited during the Spain World Cup in 1982. Stickers hook you on to it. I was a Real Zaragoza fan and the Paraguayan Carlos 'Lobo' Diarte was my favourite player. He scored the first goal I saw live on television and I drove my parents mad until we found a Lobo sticker.

'To manage at a World Cup would be a dream. My first coaching job was 23 years ago. I was 20 and called to do military service in Spain but another option was community work, so I ran a Sunday League Under 9 team.

'We had a code of conduct — for the parents! I set them up a rota of taking the kids to games. Then I stopped them shouting at the kids. Parents can be positive or negative. We became one big family.'

After managing 265 matches in the Premier League for Wigan and Everton, Martinez had concerns about international management when he accepted the Belgium job in August 2016.

His first match was a 2-0 home defeat by Spain in which his players were booed off the field at half-time but Martinez saw positives.

He says: 'It was painful. You don't want that in front of your own fans. When I arrived, I didn't know what to expect. I'd been on the other side and seen inter-national football as something that got in the way of our seasons. I was pleasantly surprised by how much the players care.

'The fans care. You are dealing with the hopes of millions. We have reacted well. We changed the system from 4-2-3-1 to 3-4-3, beat Cyprus 3-0 and have 16 points from six qualifying games.

'The harder part for me is psychological. Not winning becomes harder. It took me three weeks to come to terms with a draw against Greece and get rid of that feeling. At club level, you start again straight away.'

Martinez remains bright and engaging company. He has settled in Waterloo, around half an hour from Brussels. His Scottish wife Beth is learning French and Flemish with him, and their young daughter Luella has enrolled in a local school. He has even appeared on Belgian television answering trivia questions.

Liberated from the pain and pleasure of the Premier League, he appears refreshed. By the end at Everton, public perception appeared to have turned on a coach who achieved promotion with Swansea, lifted the FA Cup with Wigan and came within one place of Champions League qualification at Goodison Park.

Towards the end of his Everton tenure, aeroplane banners calling for his departure adorned the Merseyside skyline.

'As managers, it's part of the job,' he says. 'I keep the memories and my achievements stand. I look at Everton as the full three seasons, not the last six months.

'We got 72 points in the first season, we were the last English team to be knocked out of Europe in my second and made two semi-finals in the domestic cups in my third.

'We were defensively very poor in my last season. There were a lot of defensive duties we didn't execute properly. I don't deny we conceded too many goals. But when I arrived at Everton we had the same budget as Aston Villa and Fulham — they both went down.

'I'm proud of Tom Davies and his breakthrough this season. We gave him his debut. As a manager, you know you won't personally feel the most benefit when taking chances on young players, but we have a responsibility.'

As Belgium coach, Martinez has pressures of his own. His squad is frighteningly talented: Thibaut Courtois, Toby Alderweireld, Jan Vertonghen, Eden Hazard, Kevin De Bruyne, Yannick Carrasco, Romelu Lukaku.

Yet at Euro 2016, Belgium crashed out to Wales and work remains to reclaim the nation's admiration. 'There has been a lack of direction from previous generations,' Martinez explains.

'A German kid grows up knowing that a tournament means you have to get to the final. Spain were the same as Belgium until they won in 2008. In France, it was the same and that's why Thierry Henry is so important as my assistant. He brings the experience of turning talent into success at this level. It's a lot of undeserved pressure on the players but this is a seriously talented group and we have to see where that takes us.'

Martinez remains an innovator. He does most of his thinking very late at night and therefore eats his carbohydrates at 10.30pm. On the day of a game, he won't eat, to ensure that the blood is in his brain rather than his stomach.

He now uses drone filming to aid tactical understanding. The footage offers a similar view to the one players grow up with on football computer games.

Martinez's focus on information remains. He will visit every Belgian top-flight club as the federation roll out a new youth coaching formula.

'They do some amazing things here,' he says. 'Tottenham's Mousa Dembele came through on street football, that's how he learned to use his body up against people and roll them so wonderfully with those nutmegs. Language learning is key, too, among Belgians. Romelu speaks five!'

Martinez looks inwards and outwards. Physical coach Richard Evans has visited every club with a Belgian international so that each player's individual fitness regime and recovery is imitated with the national squad.

Martinez watches at least one live game a day and travels every week to matches across Europe.

'I have the same feeling as when I arrived as a player at Wigan in 1995 — curious and excited,' he says.

'International football intrigues me. How can you work with a group so little and see the effects on the pitch? It's a challenge. From Under 9 Sunday League to a World Cup would be quite the story!'

Key takeaways:

  • He's still chatting utter wham and the media lap it up
  • 72 points.
  • An utter parasite move to try and claim Tom Davies' success
  • His youth program will be bombed out once he's gone just like it was at Finch Farm - and actually celebrated by certain coaches.
 
I am now convinced that Dave is Martinez.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...erto-Martinez-talks-goal-World-Cup-glory.html

Roberto Martinez is bidding to go from being a Sunday League Under 9s boss to World Cup glory with Belgium
  • Roberto Martinez has been in charge of Belgium's national team for 10 months
  • International football has helped bring back a wave of nostalgia for Martinez
  • The 43-year-old says that to manage at a World Cup 'would be a dream'
  • Belgium's talented squad does, however, put fresh pressure on his shoulders
  • They are top of their World Cup qualifying group and haven't lost a game


Key takeaways:

  • He's still chatting utter wham and the media lap it up
  • 72 points.
  • An utter parasite move to try and claim Tom Davies' success
  • His youth program will be bombed out once he's gone just like it was at Finch Farm - and actually celebrated by certain coaches.

Not reading that, but I hope bad things happen to him, very, very bad things.
 
I am now convinced that Dave is Martinez.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...erto-Martinez-talks-goal-World-Cup-glory.html

Roberto Martinez is bidding to go from being a Sunday League Under 9s boss to World Cup glory with Belgium
  • Roberto Martinez has been in charge of Belgium's national team for 10 months
  • International football has helped bring back a wave of nostalgia for Martinez
  • The 43-year-old says that to manage at a World Cup 'would be a dream'
  • Belgium's talented squad does, however, put fresh pressure on his shoulders
  • They are top of their World Cup qualifying group and haven't lost a game


Key takeaways:

  • He's still chatting utter wham and the media lap it up
  • 72 points.
  • An utter parasite move to try and claim Tom Davies' success
  • His youth program will be bombed out once he's gone just like it was at Finch Farm - and actually celebrated by certain coaches.

The fraud is the cert of the highest order. What a deluded clown. Last 16 at Europa, semi finals blah blah blah. He's a small time wum. What 3 full seasons? 2 full seasons were absolutely dreadful. Horrible brand of football and defence.
 
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I am now convinced that Dave is Martinez.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...erto-Martinez-talks-goal-World-Cup-glory.html

Roberto Martinez is bidding to go from being a Sunday League Under 9s boss to World Cup glory with Belgium
  • Roberto Martinez has been in charge of Belgium's national team for 10 months
  • International football has helped bring back a wave of nostalgia for Martinez
  • The 43-year-old says that to manage at a World Cup 'would be a dream'
  • Belgium's talented squad does, however, put fresh pressure on his shoulders
  • They are top of their World Cup qualifying group and haven't lost a game


Key takeaways:

  • He's still chatting utter wham and the media lap it up
  • 72 points.
  • An utter parasite move to try and claim Tom Davies' success
  • His youth program will be bombed out once he's gone just like it was at Finch Farm - and actually celebrated by certain coaches.

Horrible creature, I actually hate his guts.
 
If you don't derive many different emotions from being a football fan then I'm not sure why you bother.

I do derive different emotions in football but I prefer to keep terms like "hate" reserved for people who deserve it, not people who tried to do their best for the club and failed.

John Aldridge, Suarez, Terry... actual awful people. Martinez doesn't belong in that category. He's a good guy who suffered from stubbornness and tactical naivity. He was frustrating but not even close to being worthy of my hate.

Plus that 2013/2014 season was the most enjoyable premier league season in my lifetime, so I cut him a bit of slack for that as well.
 
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I do derive different emotions in football but I prefer to keep terms like "hate" reserved for people who deserve it, not people who tried to do their best for the club and failed.

John Aldridge, Suarez, Terry... actual awful people. Martinez doesn't belong in that category. He's a good guy who suffered from stubbornness and tactical nativity. He was frustrating but not even close to being worthy of my hate.

Plus that 2013/2014 season was the most enjoyable premier league season in my lifetime, so I cut him a bit of slack for that as well.

Everton being awful makes me angry. He made Everton awful, therefore he makes me angry. I don't think that's weird, I think it makes sense. The stubbornness you mentioned there, showed that he had absolutely no regard for the fans who were paying week in week out to watch utter tripe. He had no intention of fixing the problems we had, only concerned with bolstering his belief in that delusional philosophy. That doesn't constitute "trying his best" to me, it just makes him a selfish egomaniac.
 
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