2018/19 Marco Silva - New Poll Added

[Eggs]

..I think we have to accept this is work in progress, but most managers get the defensive organisation sorted first. We look a shambles defensively. i’m losing count on the number of occasions we are exposed and outnumbered by attackers and that is a key responsibility of the coach.

 

[davek]

..I think we have to accept this is work in progress, but most managers get the defensive organisation sorted first. We look a shambles defensively. i’m losing count on the number of occasions we are exposed and outnumbered by attackers and that is a key responsibility of the coach.

Because Brands bought him a crock who;s sitting in the treatment room for 3 months when we needed a commanding CB good to go for preseason, never mind the season's start.

 

[ToffeeTim]

..I think we have to accept this is work in progress, but most managers get the defensive organisation sorted first. We look a shambles defensively. i’m losing count on the number of occasions we are exposed and outnumbered by attackers and that is a key responsibility of the coach.

I've saw Schneiderlein Keane Kenny Holgate and Davies at times this season all look round, see a midfield runner going beyond them, and then not bother chasing back with them.

Silva is responsible for getting us more compact and balanced but what I see is disgraceful defending and a lack of desperation from players who have got 4 managers the sack.

We need to stop looking excuses for top flight footballers making basic mistakes on a repeated basis.

 

[Eggs]

Because Brands bought him a crock who;s sitting in the treatment room for 3 months when we needed a commanding CB good to go for preseason, never mind the season's start.

...defending is about what the whole team do when the opposition has the ball. If you watch our games, the CBs are often exposed and outnumbered, that will still be the case whether Mina plays or not. Hopefully Mina is an improvement but he won’t be the solution.

I don’t know who instigated the Mina signing but (from the Brands quotes watching the Columbia v England game) he and Silva desperately wanted him. I also don’t know if his injury happened before or after he signed.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

Regardless: he needs time to get this club back to a position where it's playing proper football again. I could understand your anger if this was the end of the season and we were bottom half.

It's all WAY too early for talk of changing managers. Complain, yes. No problem. I dont like going out of cups either. However, all the talk of changing managers early is for the birds. It's not happening and it's wasted energy.

In total agreement with Dave here. I'm furious we again showed little to no regard for the cup last night and that's on Silva but the man needs time to sort out some serious mess. He has a team littered with 4 different managers players who in the last year have been forced to play 2 very contrasting brands of football. It's not an overnight fix and it will never improve unless we give a manager time.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

One of the most frustrating things for me right now is when i see/hear people saying that the manager can't be expected to play his best team every game otherwise the best players will be worn out. Ffs, we're not talking about the Europa league here. There's no long trips to Ukraine and the like and we're not expected to play Thursday/Sunday. We're talking about the league cup here, the competition that you only need to play seven games to win, the only competition that we stood a chance of winning. I just don't understand why he thought he was a good idea to rest players for this. I'm not demanding much from Silva, I knew this would be a change for everyone at the club with more then a few learning curves but I'm not going to just shrug off results that we suffer as a direct result of his incompetence.

 

[Gaffa]

I actually thought Zouma and Keane last two games have looked solid. Midfield is the issue. We have no player to take the game by the scruff. Davies tried last night but had a mare

 

[Gaffa]

One of the most frustrating things for me right now is when is see/hear people saying that the manager can't be expected to play his best team every game otherwise the best players will be worn out. Ffs, we're not talking about the Europa league here. There's no long trips to Ukraine and the like and we're not expected to play Thursday/Sunday. We're talking about the league cup here, the competition that you only need to play seven games to win, the only competition that we stood a chance of winning. I just don't understand why he thought he was a good idea to rest players for this. I'm not demanding much from Silva, I knew this would be a change for everyone at the club with more then a few learning curves but I'm not going to just shrug off results that are a direct result of his incompetence.

Spot on. We wont win the league and we wont go down so why are managers obsessed with the premier league

 

[Lanolin]

Fair enough.

I think @Mikey_Fitzgerald is right to point out that it could have gone that way though, but I agree with you as well. That being said, they had plenty of chances against our first team a few weeks back.

End of the day, I don't think we lost because of the changes, even though I agree that seven changes was probably too much and in that regard I think Silva overestimated our strength in depth (which is the real worry in all of this, btw, because we tried hard to build our squad this summer yet past the first 12-13 it's pretty poor, still!).

So while I don't think the changes helped, we should have still had the quality on the pitch to win that game. We got the basics wrong again for their goal, and four of the five culpable for it were all involved on Saturday, ironically enough.

Yeah there's 2 aspects to what i'm getting at.

Firstly, it's not that the team would never in a million years have been good enough to win the game, obviously they're all in and around the first team squad so yes they could have won the game, but it was always likely to be difficult for them. We've played Southampton three times in the last 10 months, won one, lost one and drawn one. Why we would take the attitude that our reserves would definitely be good enough to beat them I don't know, and seeing as we didn't beat them, it seems a pretty ridiculous argument in all honesty.

Secondly, it's not just about the players as individuals, it's about the team as a unit. Our current set up relies on us pressing, harrying and putting teams under pressure high up the pitch. Gana and the three in front of him are key to this, and yet we took all four of them out. The players we replaced them with are totally different types of players, and yet we tried to play the same way. There was nobody setting the tempo for the others to follow, and we looked disjointed and unable to spring forward like we have been doing (and did again once Richarlison and Walcott came on, culminating in us scoring). Bernard and Dowell were basically trying to play the same role, floating round looking for little cute passes and flicks, because they don't complement eachother. This gave us a lack of attacking thrust as neither of them was really looking to go beyond the striker, and it ended up with Dowell just deferring to the more senior player and becoming completely anonymous as he let Bernard do the type of probing that he would normally be in the team to do.

Let's not pretend that we put out a team that had been well thought out and had a plan to win. We just put a load of players who we thought needed games. Literally the only fit senior player who didn't get drafted in was Holgate, this was a reserve side with players shoehorned in, not a team set up to get the best out of it's components.

 

[Deckard2049]

One of the most frustrating things for me right now is when i see/hear people saying that the manager can't be expected to play his best team every game otherwise the best players will be worn out. Ffs, we're not talking about the Europa league here. There's no long trips to Ukraine and the like and we're not expected to play Thursday/Sunday. We're talking about the league cup here, the competition that you only need to play seven games to win, the only competition that we stood a chance of winning. I just don't understand why he thought he was a good idea to rest players for this. I'm not demanding much from Silva, I knew this would be a change for everyone at the club with more then a few learning curves but I'm not going to just shrug off results that we suffer as a direct result of his incompetence.

We’re also in October. We had a home game against Fulham on Saturday followed by a Home tie in the cup against a garbage Southampton side on a Tuesday. We play again Saturday. Talk of required rotation is laughable.

Also if the manager/club don’t care about the competition then give the tickets away for free. Reduced prices are one thing but if you’re that lacking in enthusiasm for the competition then don’t expect fans to bother either and actually spend their money.

 

[wainy]

Well Davies isn't a holding midfielder. He was tasked with getting forward.

Plenty of teams play 4-2-3-1, it's just they have midfielders who generally get forward, not just crab about.

Didn't say he was. Schneiderlin was dropping back between the centre halfs all first half though. We're the easiest team in the league to set up against. Slow, side to side build up that commits men forward at the wrong time and can be counter attacked easily.

 

[davek]

...defending is about what the whole team do when the opposition has the ball. If you watch our games, the CBs are often exposed and outnumbered, that will still be the case whether Mina plays or not. Hopefully Mina is an improvement but he won’t be the solution.

I don’t know who instigated the Mina signing but (from the Brands quotes watching the Columbia v England game) he and Silva desperately wanted him. I also don’t know if his injury happened before or after he signed.

It needs individuals to stop making basic errors. That's been a long term problem at this club - I haven't seen an Everton defence marashalled well since Dave Watson retired. So a central commanding figure is key. Imagine Liverpool's fruicase defence without Van Dijk!

 

[Jebus_lives]

I think being drawn away to an in-form Leicester prior to this match has helped Silva get off the hook with this loss. I dont think too many people saw a QF berth within rr=each had we progressed.

Bad loss, but we have our set agenda for season 2018/18: top ten, get a style of play in place and use the next two windows to get rid of trash and buy in quality.

Job done if that happens.

Spot on this.

 

[snipellis11]

We desperately need to give silva time and stick by him otherwise we will just be going in a circle of sacking managers.

 

[toffeejack]

In total agreement with Dave here. I'm furious we again showed little to no regard for the cup last night and that's on Silva but the man needs time to sort out some serious mess. He has a team littered with 4 different managers players who in the last year have been forced to play 2 very contrasting brands of football. It's not an overnight fix and it will never improve unless we give a manager time.

This is sensible, I wish the forum had more posts like this instead of constant whinning about every bad thing that happens.