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Best response is to remain silent.
Managerial and player movement happens constantly. Every time a player refuses to train does the club they want to join face sanctions? Absolutely farcical situation being dragged up by these small time bells.

Let Watford hiss and moan.

Then come January, take Doucoure off them.
 
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if they made an example of Everton to try and deter other clubs, we are big enough to get headlines, but not enough to mess up the Sky super Sunday fixture list.
Remember last season when they banned Niasse for a dive? How many other players got done after him, I can't think of any, definately no more players from the top flight.
They will have to operate within the law... guilty or innocent... this is in a different league completely from the Niasse incident. What ever the finding is it will possibly have to withstand a robust testing in the courts.
 
Another thing to consider, Moshiri has been in and around top flight football for a good few years with Arsenal.
What experience have Watford’s American owners got?
 

Not really Dave.
It was obvious Silva wanted to join Everton.
Everyone at the time thought Watford were playing hard ball to get the maximum amount of compensation possible.

Why would Everton not pursue him.
Moshiri pursued him beyond all reason. 5/6 weeks worth of knock backs. It was a war of attrition that the club lost in the short term and it's handed it a massive headache that carries on to this day. It was a textbook example of how not to tap a manager up. It was clumsy and ham fisted and arrogant. If it had happened to Everton and, say, Arsenal or United or Chelsea had pursued our manager we'd have had no difficulty in seeing this for what it is. It's just tribalism that avoids coming to the right conlcusion: Moshiri was wrong, he's put the club in an invidious position, and now we fully deserve to have the book thrown at us.
 
Destined to end with a very very large fine and nothing more. No need to get overexcited.

That said, in a world where we are trying to put together funding for a stadium and competing with wealthier clubs for players signatures, handing the FA £1m+ is something we could really do without.

Yet another reason to dislike Watford.
 
Moshiri pursued him beyond all reason. 5/6 weeks worth of knock backs. It was a war of attrition that the club lost in the short term and it's handed it a massive headache that carries on to this day. It was a textbook example of how not to tap a manager up. It was clumsy and ham fisted and arrogant. If it had happened to Everton and, say, Arsenal or United or Chelsea had pursued our manager we'd have had no difficulty in seeing this for what it is. It's just tribalism that avoids coming to the right conlcusion: Moshiri was wrong, he's put the club in an invidious position, and now we fully deserve to have the book thrown at us.

Do you actually support Everton?

You seem to post nothing but negativity.
 
Moshiri pursued him beyond all reason. 5/6 weeks worth of knock backs. It was a war of attrition that the club lost in the short term and it's handed it a massive headache that carries on to this day. It was a textbook example of how not to tap a manager up. It was clumsy and ham fisted and arrogant. If it had happened to Everton and, say, Arsenal or United or Chelsea had pursued our manager we'd have had no difficulty in seeing this for what it is. It's just tribalism that avoids coming to the right conlcusion: Moshiri was wrong, he's put the club in an invidious position, and now we fully deserve to have the book thrown at us.

Ah. Dave finding the consensus and quickly formulating the opposite argument.

Just a quick "silva+moshiri" search from you and you talk about how Moshiri will get his man, how Everton wont step away from the pursuit, how we need to play it with more patience and how Moshiri wont meekly walk away and how Watford's threats are idle.

Later, you then demand the club go back in for Silva.

Now though - you're critical of Moshiri pursuing him for so long lollollol

If Usmanov wants Moshiri to want Silva, he'll get him.


It's accelerated in the last couple of days, though.

You cant have a manager's situation "out there" and unresolved...and that goes for both clubs.

Everton wont step away from the pursuit, and Watford will want this sorted also.

Just a matter of an acceptable compo figure to go now. That wont be long in coming.

...or, we're all (most of us anyway) guilty of viewing this process at the wrong speed and need to let it play out with a bit more patience. The time that's elapsed so far suggests to me that may be the case - that the negotiations will be prolonged and open ended with the ultimate nuclear option in the background.

If the EFC board were desperate they'd have got their answer early and left it alone and on to the next target. That doesn't appear to be the case.

I said earlier that I doubt Moshiri has invested a month into this and will meekly walk away. I stick to that. There are twists to come.

As soon as possible is the short answer. I doubt Watford's threats have ever been anything more than bargaining for a higher fee. If we want him Moshiri will pay what they want to shut them up. He's there. He wants to come here. Everyone is for sale.

Silva was Moshiri's choice but only after the Allardyce conditions first time around (that he's accepting now) were too disruptive and outrageous. His refusal to cough up the compo to Watford meant it was always on Silva walking out, and the pressure heaped on him from the media was immense not to do that.

So now we go back to Moshiri Plan A: The Two Sams and Craig.

Superb.

It must be very tempting now for Moshiri to hire Silva for f.a. in the summer and use the cash saved from the Watford compo to get Allardyce and co out....that's if he's available. Southampton must be looking closely at him if they get rid of Pellegrino.

Yes. If he's available in the summer and we dont dump this divvy Allardyce for Silva that's exactly what it would suggest.

Get rid and get Silva in.

And to all those bleating about "but but but it'd make us a laughing stock to get rid of another manager" = we're laughed at now. We're on our knees in the gutter.

Of course, that grinning clueless divvy Moshiri wont have the gumption to move for Silva now. Bad timing as per usual with him.
 

Have the FA powers to demand phone details from Moshiri, Kenwright , Silva or anybody else ?
Ah. Dave finding the consensus and quickly formulating the opposite argument.

Just a quick "silva+moshiri" search from you and you talk about how Moshiri will get his man, how Everton wont step away from the pursuit, how we need to play it with more patience and how Moshiri wont meekly walk away and how Watford's threats are idle.

Later, you then demand the club go back in for Silva.

Now though - you're critical of Moshiri pursuing him for so long lollollol

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Moshiri pursued him beyond all reason. 5/6 weeks worth of knock backs. It was a war of attrition that the club lost in the short term and it's handed it a massive headache that carries on to this day. It was a textbook example of how not to tap a manager up. It was clumsy and ham fisted and arrogant. If it had happened to Everton and, say, Arsenal or United or Chelsea had pursued our manager we'd have had no difficulty in seeing this for what it is. It's just tribalism that avoids coming to the right conlcusion: Moshiri was wrong, he's put the club in an invidious position, and now we fully deserve to have the book thrown at us.

You mean like when United got to Moyes and let him know he was gonna replace SAF with 5 months of the season left to run? Did we create a stink? Nope. Standing ovation wasn't it.

Ive read a fair few of your posts and it just seems you always prefer to have the minority/unpopular view.

How else do you propose clubs approach managers? Everton offered Watford money and then more money. Not our fault the managers head was turned.... if you got married and 3 months into your marriage a rich handsome bloke started chatting your wife up do you rely on the bloke just walking away or do you hope your wife loves you enough to ignore his advances? I'd much prefer the latter..... The thing is Silva knew that Watford wasn't exactly a faithful partner themselves so it wasn't a tough decision.
 
Ah. Dave finding the consensus and quickly formulating the opposite argument.

Just a quick "silva+moshiri" search from you and you talk about how Moshiri will get his man, how Everton wont step away from the pursuit, how we need to play it with more patience and how Moshiri wont meekly walk away and how Watford's threats are idle.

Later, you then demand the club go back in for Silva.

Now though - you're critical of Moshiri pursuing him for so long lollollol
But they hardly amount to a smoking gun and dont contradict the point I'm making now.

All of that was based on Everton actually being in some form of negotiations with Watford, which is what we were all led to believe by those "trusted" journalists like Joyce and O'Keeffe and King etc at the time - which turns out to have been untrue, as there was no such dialogue ongoing. So for Moshiri to spend so much time posturing and hoping Silva would walk / putting pressure on him to walk would walk was unacceptable - unacceptable for us at the time and certainly unacceptable for Watford.

Moshiri was not bargaining in good faith, he was offering nothing to Watford. That changes every single thing about this case. It was not a tapping up so much as an attempted mugging.
 
The whole thing is such nonsense. First the last tapping up case to punish a team was in 2005. No way I'm buying it hasn't happened in 13 years. Second I'm pretty sure the RS avoided a charge by saying sorry and signing Van Dijk 6 months later.
 

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