Marcelo Bielsa or Sean Dyche?

[sbbefc]

Given those odds, one would be prudent thinking longer term...

Haha, potentially

 

[johnjoeefc]

I think out of the two, all considered - that being who gives us the best chance of staying up - Dyche is the right, pragmatic choice. If we go down, he'll probably be lashed but if not, he's had 2 goes at promotion before and twice been promoted.

Bielsa, my immediate instinct was 'with this team?!' and a big swerve.

I've slowly convinced myself he'd be alright, but nah.

Go an look at his club career.

Quit one game into the season at Marseille - "I have finished my work here, I want to go home". Left Lazio after 2 days. Lille he lasted a few months. Same with Espanyol - joined July, got off in September.

He's a maverick, an if he couldnt be arsed with Marseille, Lazio an Espanyol - at 67 I'm not sure he'll be arsed with our nonsense.

Also have to consider motivation for the job. Dyche would love the job. Bielsa, is giving me Koeman vibes. All the reports are us having to convince him.

Ask me later an I'll be saying swerve Dyche an go Bielsa.

The big issue is the club needed to make changes much sooner - whoever we bring in now is on a hiding to nothing.

My take on it is that we are not a forlorn hope. However I just feel that the next manager would need to be someone who has the capability of completely changing the mindsets of these players. I'm not convinced that dyche is that guy as he will probably have us do just a bit better than lampard is but we actually need more than that now with the position we are in.

I feel maybe a Bielsa or Hassenhuttl could just change the mentality and get the maximum out of this lot and that could prove to be the difference. We are effectively Burnley from last season and Dyche looked like he was taking them down. Im not saying it will be the same as it was with them but I just can see Dyche taking us down. Or it could be the other way and he could do what Moyes did when he joined us and make us decent again.

I really don't know, will probably change my mind some time in the next few hours.

 

[Bluelladevil]

We need wins to get out of the mess we are in with 15 points at this point in the season. Which manager could get you more wins? Clearly Bielsa as he is obsessed with his team playing attacking football. Ok there is a risk you lose a game 5 - 0 or whatever but so what – if you lose the game 1 - 0 you have the same points you had before you played the game. Dyche would struggle to win games because we are so poor at creating chances and his tactics wouldn't change that. The squad needs a whole new approach to attacking play which he cannot give us. Bielsa can.

Also, if Dyche comes in as manager would you hang around if you were a youth team player who had anything about you? What would you learn from him? If you were the parent of a young prospect would you want them to be at a club where Dyche sets the team pattern? Football has changed in recent years tactically – the days of 442 are long gone at the top of the leagues. Expect all the best young players to move on pretty quick. It looks as though we are about to get £40 million for a player from our youth team. Don't expect that in the future if Dyche becomes the manager.

 

[Kaputz]

For everyone who doesn't want Dyche or Bielsa. Who do you want?

Jesse Marsch. He's saved a club from relegation already

 

[efcforever]

Just need 1 of them in today. Need to start training with this group of tossers tomorrow at the latest.

Agreed.

The players will be like a bunch of kids when the teacher doesn't turn up for the lesson this week.

 

[Swartzy]

Bielsa - and we're bungee jumping off the cliff.

Dyche - and were hiking down, with a few toilet breaks on the way.

I'ts a hard call...
But maybe Dyche decides to get the tent out and camp for the night ( As other hikers pass us ) just before we hit rock bottom...

 

[Abertonian]

Will support whoever it is but went for Dyche. Bielsa and his brand of football is the more entertaining option but we really don't have the squad for it. Its 26th Jan with no-one in and likely a big out, so no faith at all that they can overhaul the squad in a few days.

If we go down the reported contract for Bielsa and his crew will sink us.

Dyche is pragmatic, experienced and worked with a few of our players before. We need someone that can hit he ground running, potentially with what we've got.

We need options up front irrespective of who comes in so quicker they get the manager in sooner the attention can be spent where it is required!

 

[Moomin]

Lets all go loco for El Loco

 

[sd_1992]

Bielsa - and we're bungee jumping off the cliff.

Dyche - and were hiking down, with a few toilet breaks on the way.

I'ts a hard call...
But maybe Dyche decides to get the tent out and camp for the night ( As other hikers pass us ) just before we hit rock bottom...

Dyche we are jumping off the cliff and burning down the ladder back up.

 

[Billy Dean]

Which is the most woke?

I'd imagine it's not Dyche

 

[Ruairi77]

I'm not sure any Burnley fans want Dyche back but a lot of leeds fans want Bielsa back.

Will support whoever it is but went for Dyche. Bielsa and his brand of football is the more entertaining option but we really don't have the squad for it. Its 26th Jan with no-one in and likely a big out, so no faith at all that they can overhaul the squad in a few days.

If we go down the reported contract for Bielsa and his crew will sink us.

Dyche is pragmatic, experienced and worked with a few of our players before. We need someone that can hit he ground running, potentially with what we've got.

We need options up front irrespective of who comes in so quicker they get the manager in sooner the attention can be spent where it is required!

We don't have the squad for Dyche's style either.
Our strikers aren't great. McNeil did nothing for him last season, not likely to improve this season.
We're selling Godfrey on the other wing.
Gray will do even more walking than usual and Iwobl will revert to type.
Under Dyche, we'll have absolutely nothing going forward.
If we want to nick some points off the big boys, we could have stuck with Lampard.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Don't think either of these two had the instant impact that we require at their previous PL jobs.

 

[Lowste]

Will support whoever it is but went for Dyche. Bielsa and his brand of football is the more entertaining option but we really don't have the squad for it. Its 26th Jan with no-one in and likely a big out, so no faith at all that they can overhaul the squad in a few days.

If we go down the reported contract for Bielsa and his crew will sink us.

Dyche is pragmatic, experienced and worked with a few of our players before. We need someone that can hit he ground running, potentially with what we've got.

We need options up front irrespective of who comes in so quicker they get the manager in sooner the attention can be spent where it is required!

Doesn’t Bielsa like to work on a rolling 1 year contract
I guess payout not as much as somebody on a 4yr contract

 

[Melchizedek]

Right here right now I have to say Dyche makes more sense to me. He knows how to work with the type of squad we have (half of them used to play for him). He has run successful teams on next to no money. Has finished above Everton twice (once in the European places) with Burnley.
It will likely be route 1 football, but I feel of the two candidates Dyche transitions in much easier than Bielsa who would need 4 new players to even begin to implement his tactics.

 

[andy5000]

I just don't see this squad being able to play Bielsa ball, and I can't see us bringing in more than 1 player before the deadline. In a "go with what we've got" scenario, I think Dyche has more chance of saving us than Bielsa. It still feels like relegation is inevitable... but there is the tiniest glimmer of hope that Dyche might be able to turn our fortunes around.