2019/20 Marcel Brands

[Coggy]

Two things:

1/ There is not really an onerous task for the coach/manager in sorting out players. Most are familiar with exactly what's out there for the purpose they'll require. And experienced coaches will have 'go-to' agents they trust to sort the details of a deal out. In short: there is no distraction from coaching the team.

2/ Might Brands and Ancelotti differ on types of players required?: they will. How could they not diverge? Brands is someone who hasn't managed, he played to a certain level; Ancelotti was a top player and has managed players for years and knows what he's looking for. There is literally nothing other to do for Brands than to just nod in agreement with the manager who;s here right now on players required. He cant have input, he isn't qualified to gainsay Ancelotti. If he's useful elsewhere in the club (overall football strategy, U23 work, etc) then that's where he should confine his efforts to. IMO if that's all he does here then the club are paying him too much money.

The DoF role here at Everton is a BS position. We've seen waste and chaos after hiring our first 2, and I think that will be underlined soon enough when Brands leaves the club

Do you honestly believe that any club would allow a manager to have "go to" agents that they trust to sort details of a deal out. The vast majority of agents are little more than cut throat mercenaries who are firstly only interested in their own bottom line, secondly the interests of the players that they represent , and a long way last , the interests of managers / clubs. Any club that allowed your suggested methodology of working would be quickly on the way to the poorhouse. Think that you may be a little naive mate.

 

[Goat]

Two things:

1/ There is not really an onerous task for the coach/manager in sorting out players. Most are familiar with exactly what's out there for the purpose they'll require. And experienced coaches will have 'go-to' agents they trust to sort the details of a deal out. In short: there is no distraction from coaching the team.

2/ Might Brands and Ancelotti differ on types of players required?: they will. How could they not diverge? Brands is someone who hasn't managed, he played to a certain level; Ancelotti was a top player and has managed players for years and knows what he's looking for. There is literally nothing other to do for Brands than to just nod in agreement with the manager who;s here right now on players required. He cant have input, he isn't qualified to gainsay Ancelotti. If he's useful elsewhere in the club (overall football strategy, U23 work, etc) then that's where he should confine his efforts to. IMO if that's all he does here then the club are paying him too much money.

The DoF role here at Everton is a BS position. We've seen waste and chaos after hiring our first 2, and I think that will be underlined soon enough when Brands leaves the club

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2/ LOL

 

[davek]

Do you honestly believe that any club would allow a manager to have "go to" agents that they trust to sort details of a deal out. The vast majority of agents are little more than cut throat mercenaries who are firstly only interested in their own bottom line, secondly the interests of the players that they represent , and a long way last , the interests of managers / clubs. Any club that allowed your suggested methodology of working would be quickly on the way to the poorhouse. Think that you may be a little naive mate.

Have you seen Everton's agent costs in the last few years?

Ancelotti wont be coming here and ripping up his contact book and relying on jug head's.

 

[Goat]

Have you seen Everton's agent costs in the last few years?

Ancelotti wont be coming here and ripping up his contact book and relying on jug head's.

Thats what happens when you deal with 70+ transfers in 18months.

Carlos address book :

Wine merchant
Andrea Pirlo

Brands address book :

Mino, Mendes, Kia

#levels

 

[davek]

Thats what happens when you deal with 70+ transfers in 18months.

Carlos address book :

Wine merchant
Andrea Pirlo

Brands address book :

Mino, Mendes, Kia

#levels

Ancelotti - 30 years experience in coaching and dealing with agents and players and knowing what works; Jug Head - a decade waiting in line for the crumbs off the big club's table and hoping it all fits.

 

[Toffeelover]

Do you honestly believe that any club would allow a manager to have "go to" agents that they trust to sort details of a deal out. The vast majority of agents are little more than cut throat mercenaries who are firstly only interested in their own bottom line, secondly the interests of the players that they represent , and a long way last , the interests of managers / clubs. Any club that allowed your suggested methodology of working would be quickly on the way to the poorhouse. Think that you may be a little naive mate.

That is so right, agents have only one bottom line and it is themselves.

 

[Goat]

Ancelotti - 30 years experience in coaching and dealing with agents and players and knowing what works; Jug Head - a decade waiting in line for the crumbs off the big club's table and hoping it all fits.

Brands 22 years of dragging clubs to the top of leagues.
Ancelotti 30 years of winning trophies at clubs that only know how to win trophies.

 

[brieverton]

Two things:

1/ There is not really an onerous task for the coach/manager in sorting out players. Most are familiar with exactly what's out there for the purpose they'll require. And experienced coaches will have 'go-to' agents they trust to sort the details of a deal out. In short: there is no distraction from coaching the team.

2/ Might Brands and Ancelotti differ on types of players required?: they will. How could they not diverge? Brands is someone who hasn't managed, he played to a certain level; Ancelotti was a top player and has managed players for years and knows what he's looking for. There is literally nothing other to do for Brands than to just nod in agreement with the manager who;s here right now on players required. He cant have input, he isn't qualified to gainsay Ancelotti. If he's useful elsewhere in the club (overall football strategy, U23 work, etc) then that's where he should confine his efforts to. IMO if that's all he does here then the club are paying him too much money.

The DoF role here at Everton is a BS position. We've seen waste and chaos after hiring our first 2, and I think that will be underlined soon enough when Brands leaves the club

Agree with the general point you are making, but I think we still need to become proficient at identifying players in the younger age bracket who can come here for relatively low fees and either go on to become a mainstay in the team, or develop and be sold at considerable profit later on, with the money reinvested straight back in. Ancelotti won't have the time for that or perhaps even the inclination. The top young players will be on everyones radar so there isn't any rewards for nabbing them, its more of the hidden gems we have to find, assuming we can't splash £50m on every problem, with Ancelotti here or not.

Brands strategy so far for me is too heavily dependent on taking players from the super-clubs, and that suggests his net isn't near as wide as he would have us think, and that's a concern. Only Gbamin fits into the profile of a player who seems to have emerged from a scouting process, and we don't know whether he was Brands pick or not, but I assume he was.

The DOF role does look out of place here granted, but whether its Brands or someone else, and whatever its one job title or another, they are present at all clubs in some form or another. Brands record with transfers is very patchy to date, but let's see what tune Ancelotti can get out of at least some of them, Kean being our big hope.

It seems the higher the profile, the more dubious their contribution. An RS had to tell me the name of their DOF - Michael Edwards - and the guy seems universally revered there. He knew who Marcel Brands was and I thought there was more than a little irony in that.

Bottom line as I would see it is if we can afford the player and they want to come here, Ancelotti should and almost cetainly will, have the final say on whether they are signed or not. The relationship Brands had with Silva where he perhaps felt his opinion would dominate, is not going to be like that with Ancelotti on any level; Brands can only know his place alongside a man of Ancelotti's pedigree. It's like a postgraduate student working with a decorated Professor.

 

[davek]

Brands 22 years of dragging clubs to the top of leagues.
Ancelotti 30 years of winning trophies at clubs that only know how to win trophies.

Brands - squeezing himself into Hugo Boss suits two sizes too small for him and looking like Alexie Sayle; Ancelotti - wearing a crombie like Robbert De Niro and taking names.

 

[davek]

Agree with the general point you are making, but I think we still need to become proficient at identifying players in the younger age bracket who can come here for relatively low fees and either go on to become a mainstay in the team, or develop and be sold at considerable profit later on, with the money reinvested straight back in. Ancelotti won't have the time for that or perhaps even the inclination. The top young players will be on everyones radar so there isn't any rewards for nabbing them, its more of the hidden gems we have to find, assuming we can't splash £50m on every problem, with Ancelotti here or not.

Brands strategy so far for me is too heavily dependent on taking players from the super-clubs, and that suggests his net isn't near as wide as he would have us think, and that's a concern. Only Gbamin fits into the profile of a player who seems to have emerged from a scouting process, and we don't know whether he was Brands pick or not, but I assume he was.

The DOF role does look out of place here granted, but whether its Brands or someone else, and whatever its one job title or another, they are present at all clubs in some form or another. Brands record with transfers is very patchy to date, but let's see what tune Ancelotti can get out of at least some of them, Kean being our big hope.

It seems the higher the profile, the more dubious their contribution. An RS had to tell me the name of their DOF - Michael Edwards - and the guy seems universally revered there. He knew who Marcel Brands was and I thought there was more than a little irony in that.

Bottom line as I would see it is if we can afford the player and they want to come here, Ancelotti should and almost cetainly will, have the final say on whether they are signed or not. The relationship Brands had with Silva where he perhaps felt his opinion would dominate, is not going to be like that with Ancelotti on any level; Brands can only know his place alongside a man of Ancelotti's pedigree. It's like a postgraduate student working with a decorated Professor.

To get better prospects coming in you need a good scouting department with extensive links to Africa and South america. You dont need a DoF.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Brands is an absolutely top DoF and scout.

Ancelotti is an absolute top coach and motivator who recognises he can't do everything himself.

We are a bunch of internet weirdos who've never met the people who's personalities we are analysing.

Presumably both being professionals with a shared goal we can look forward to them doing excellent work together for the foreseeable future.

A future which is utterly devoid of Marc Albrighton.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Ancelotti - 30 years experience in coaching and dealing with agents and players and knowing what works; Jug Head - a decade waiting in line for the crumbs off the big club's table and hoping it all fits.

It's all part of the puzzle, Ancelotti's name will make Brands job easier pulling in names. It's not like Marcel had unlimited funds and the will of every player to come here and he can only be judged on what 17 months work? You try attracting the best to a club that finished 8th and didn't even have European football! Whatever it's night and day compared to Walsh.

Like it or not Ancelotti will not be here forever and we might not have a manager of such calibre again, so in this time we need to grow on the field to make life better afterwards and we need some joined up thinking and continuity when managers change.

 

[Coggy]

To get better prospects coming in you need a good scouting department with extensive links to Africa and South america. You dont need a DoF.

Hooray. We agree over your first sentence mate. However that scouting department has to report to someone , and that is part of the role of a Director of Football. In the modern game , there are far too many demands to have everything going through the coach / manager, even one as excellent and experienced as Ancelotti. Ancelotti has worked in a DoF environment before , as all top continental coaches have. The days of roles like that occupied by Alex Ferguson and Man Utd are a thing of the past. Our needs revolve around the inter relationship between the Coach / Manager and the DoF. Let's hope that they work well together.
This is the model that is used by all the major franchises in American sports e.g. NFL , NBA , NHL , as well as continental football

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Brands is someone who hasn't managed, he played to a certain level;

Well I did not know that. I have a new found respect for him if so.

 

[arbok]

Two things:

1/ There is not really an onerous task for the coach/manager in sorting out players. Most are familiar with exactly what's out there for the purpose they'll require. And experienced coaches will have 'go-to' agents they trust to sort the details of a deal out. In short: there is no distraction from coaching the team.

2/ Might Brands and Ancelotti differ on types of players required?: they will. How could they not diverge? Brands is someone who hasn't managed, he played to a certain level; Ancelotti was a top player and has managed players for years and knows what he's looking for. There is literally nothing other to do for Brands than to just nod in agreement with the manager who;s here right now on players required. He cant have input, he isn't qualified to gainsay Ancelotti. If he's useful elsewhere in the club (overall football strategy, U23 work, etc) then that's where he should confine his efforts to. IMO if that's all he does here then the club are paying him too much money.

The DoF role here at Everton is a BS position. We've seen waste and chaos after hiring our first 2, and I think that will be underlined soon enough when Brands leaves the club

Because Ancelotti has worked with a DoF at every other club Real Madrid, Bayern, PSG. If he thought Brands was clueless and wouldn't work with him, he wouldn't take the job. Ancelotti is going to identify areas of the team where they need to improve, and he's probably going to have a bunch of names he wants, but not all of them will be available so unless you're Pep at Man City with unlimited oil money you're not always going to get your first choice players.