Manager, Long Term.

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Yeah, id be interested in the prospect of Arteta, but if you look at our squad, if Arteta was going to come in, how many of them feel like "Arteta" style players (if obviously managerially he replicates his playing style), it would need ANOTHER restructure of players possibly? And i dont feel that would be a good thing for the club

that's probably something that will have to happen regardless, not a coplete one, but one all the same and as tough as it is, the pay off can be massive. But the problem is with football more and more in these days is a lack of patience. Not many clubs have the patience for a restructure or rebuild. so you get the never ending cycle of coach after coach coming in, each with a different playing style and philosophy, each getting rid of a few players from the last coach, and getting a few of his own. So you end up with a big inbalance in the playing squad and no clear philosophy of a style.

But the thing is, it dosn't have to take an absolute age, it's not like it's a 5/6 year commitment. But it does often need to take a couple seasons to get that structure in place. And then you go on from there.
 


Surely the risk would be too high taking Arteta?

We simply can't afford the next appointment to fail, if that happens we may fall into a catastrophic spiral.

We can't take a chance on someone with no experience.

I think we've had our catastrophic spiral ;)

Seems to me like appointing any manager - experienced or not - has the potential to fail. Honestly think Arteta would be less of a risk than appointing a European manager with no experience of English football.... but even if you appoint a manager with English experience they could also absolutely tank.

Huge risk regardless - and there are very few "safe bets" that are realistically achievable.

I think I've lost my mind but I think at this stage I'd have Roberto back in a heartbeat... but Arteta strikes me as someone that would want to play a good style of football while being pragmatic enough to know how much value can be achieved from set-pieces.
 

I think we've had our catastrophic spiral ;)

Seems to me like appointing any manager - experienced or not - has the potential to fail. Honestly think Arteta would be less of a risk than appointing a European manager with no experience of English football.... but even if you appoint a manager with English experience they could also absolutely tank.

Huge risk regardless - and there are very few "safe bets" that are realistically achievable.

I think I've lost my mind but I think at this stage I'd have Roberto back in a heartbeat... but Arteta strikes me as someone that would want to play a good style of football while being pragmatic enough to know how much value can be achieved from set-pieces.
If Roberto sets foot in our club again there wouldn’t be enough bleach or sawdust in the whole of Britain to cure the forum
And Brexit will make importing both in sufficient quantities extremely difficult
 
Not one jot of first team managerial experience. Moshiri needs to go out and find a trophy winning manager with a winning mentality who is up for a challenge and believes we can win every game.

Koeman won trophies, as did Martinez, Martinez for one had the mentality of believing we could win every game.

Eventually you have to look and say we are not a club in a position to appoint a manager who is 'a dead cert' very very few clubs are in that position either though.

Manager is very young = he hasn't the experience
Manager is old = he's lost his fire and won't want a project
Manager hasn't managed before = we need someone with experience whose won things
Manager has experience and has won things = he'll want a bigger club why would he want to come to a project for etc


If we are looking at the last 6 managewrs we have had (permanent)

Walker - flavour of the month - prem experienced - flopped massively
Smith - serial winner - proven in europe - flopped massively
Royle - former player with not great experience in the top flight managing - success
Moyes - young with little experience and in the lower leagues - have to say a success for the first 8 years at least
Martinez - prem experience - young and ambitious - won a trophy in this country - flopped
Koeman - winner as player and manager - prem experienced - single handedly tried to destroy the club
Allardcye - vast prem experience, most hated manager we have ever had.

On the continent - quite often a team outside or even inside the elite level of clubs will give a manager his first big job at a really young age, maybe it's time we sdtopped thinking about ourselves as some sleeping giant etc and realised that what we are is a project and a long term one as well, and need a manager who maybe has the fire in his belly to actually go and dive fully into that and succeed.
 
Saw that this morning. Interesting.

Whilst Arteta would tick a few boxes, the biggest mark against him is the fact that he's never actually managed a team before. Feel he'd need to have a go somewhere before he's handed a top job.

Thing is he goes somehwere and succeeds - such is his reputation in the game already - then trust me he will be on bigger lists than coming here next step.
 

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