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Player Valuation: £950k
i hope we get arshavin diego maybe owen? sidwell for abar 1m few loans few frees
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Sharpys top lip
Player Valuation: £60m
Dave you are so doom an gloom it's unreal. How do you know we dont have £30m+ to spend??
Cheer up mate!!
The thing about sity is we have seen it so many times before, with Newcastle, West Ham trying to build an imediate team with no foundations at the club and it sinking in quick sand! They will go the same way as the afore mentioned so i am not worried!
Recently we have been linked Toto Tamuz, now usually i dissmiss all the transfer rumours untill it is at least reported form a reputable source, but this lad excited me when i saw him play, he reminded me so much of the Yak. Ireland played Isreail in a quailifying group a couple of years ago and this lad tore us apart and he was only 18 at the time. He reminded me so much of the Yak and we hadnt even signed him at that stage, he was very raw then but his talent and power where their to be seen, i think if he had a bit of coaching and got a bit of expierence under his belt he could be a great addition. Granted hes a striker but i think he would offer something very different from what we have, and i would see him as one for the future, with a bit part to play in the futre.
He plays for Israil but he is actually a Nigerian national of adoptive Israili famiy! Keep an eye out for him if you get the chance.
Recently we have been linked Toto Tamuz, now usually i dissmiss all the transfer rumours untill it is at least reported form a reputable source, but this lad excited me when i saw him play, he reminded me so much of the Yak. Ireland played Isreail in a quailifying group a couple of years ago and this lad tore us apart and he was only 18 at the time. He reminded me so much of the Yak and we hadnt even signed him at that stage, he was very raw then but his talent and power where their to be seen, i think if he had a bit of coaching and got a bit of expierence under his belt he could be a great addition. Granted hes a striker but i think he would offer something very different from what we have, and i would see him as one for the future, with a bit part to play in the futre.
He plays for Israil but he is actually a Nigerian national of adoptive Israili famiy! Keep an eye out for him if you get the chance.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I'll be made up if we spend anywhere near £30M. We never have in the past though, so why would we start now?
It's not doom and gloom, I'm just being realistic - get a midfield general in there and then, if there's any money left, get a proper wide man in. We all know these positions have been our priority for a very long time. The rest of the squad I can live with (maybe sell Anichebe and bring in one up front if we can manage it).
It's called 'cutting your coat according to your cloth'. We make do and mend and add a new face here and there each season. That's what we do under the present ownership structure.
ToxtethBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
Tamuz played against England and had a good first half. He gave Phil Neville a tough time at right back. Could be a useful signing.
I can understand where your coming from mate, but their isnt the need to make wholesale changes, look at the teams every summer that do like Newcastle, WHU, City they just fade away with no team coheison. I think we will get more then last season the board in fairness has done this season on season since Moyes has been in charge and i see no reason why it will change this season.
Im for three quality signings myself i thnk anything with maybe one or two potential loans to blster the ranks obviously if they have quality or potential ala pienaar, arteta, fernandes its a bonus.
Two points are the last time we brought over a 3-4 players in permentently we finished well below the previous year 4th. While i think that making wholesale changes to a squad that finished fourth is simply bad management and would do nothing for squad confidence or morale.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
If this season has taught us anyhting it's that fighting on four fronts can kill a squad without depth. We have a certain level of depth, but it's nowhere near the quality it has to be to go the distance in Europe, pick up a domestic trophy and secure 4th spot and a CL place. That's where we need to set our sights now. This season primed us for next season's push. Maybe I'm being hyper-critical, but I think we have a manager who has 6 years experience and the makings of a very good team and he can handle players of quality coming into the side now in greater volume. Not 5 or 6 'superstars' obviously...they're not going to come to Everton to be rotated - but, for example, we need to secure the signatures of the likes of Parker and Petrov who we've missed out on in the past because of lack of transfer money/wages.
If they can't find that extra cash this year to give to Moyes we'll be in for another season like this. Which was good, but not good enough for Everton FC as far as I'm concerned. It's all about cash, and we dont have any relative to the clubs we need to be competing with now. Incremental improvements will see us stand still in this league.
I disagree mate that what we lacked this season wasnt a lack of back-up but a lack of appropriate back up, there were players there like Grav, AVDM, who didnt offer a viable option. Agreed if this is your point that quality needs to be brought in to address or rectify it, but i am not convinced by your arguement that extra numbers or that money is the solution to fix it by making numerous changes. In terms of injuries we were very unluky not by the numbers of injuries but to the players who got injured, Baines, Vaghan, and to a lesser extent Cahill and Arteta will be like new signings next season. I think one or two people wiill be surprised by the extra quality added to the side by Vaghan and Baines when they are back firing in the squad injury free. I want to specifically mention Cahill as i feel coupled with the psychological impact of going out of the Uefa unfairly, i see his tenacity leadership, and tempo setting as a core reason for us struggleing toward the end of the season. So these reasons apart from any other i see as the cause of the so called decline.
I think investing in the squad is important in terms of compititon and adding to existing quality by offering more vairence and options in our play, but if studying football showes us anything it is that football clubs who invest heavily in numerous changes, praticularly in our current situation in the leauge is far more likley to be dermential then not a few examples:
Spurs
Newcastle
WHU
Man City
Fulham
Now some of these clubs have invested hundreds of millions in new players and are they better then us? I know you can give an example of Chelsea but i personally feel they are in decline. They are a mis match of ready made superstars, with i beleive barring a few have no heart, passion and drive for the club and are there for the money. Now you can argue that Chelsea have won silverware, but they did this at a time when they put a team of 28 year-olds together, while Man U and Arsenal were in a stage of transition deceloping and bringing younger players through (when the likes of Fergusaon, Evra, Ronaldo and Vidic were being hung out to dry) what we are seeing now is normal service resumed.
So investing is part of being successfull in our leauge but it doesnt equal success. If you look at Arsenal and Man U, yes they do invest but theyve also got their house in order first the foundations have have been laid that the whole club top from bottom is run properly and efficently with a great stream of youth coming through to complement purchaes. This is what Moyes means when he talks of good foundations. There is a cohesian in the first team a balance thats needs to be added to from various sources to make it successfull but also to underline the theme and motivation of the club form the youth team to the first team. Yes there needs to be quality additions but 20 million is by far enough for this, there also needs to be the oppurtuities for the Vaughyans, Rodwells, Goslings, Baxters etc to be Everton greats in the future and that is why we dont need to spend millions on Jonny foreigner.
We have the luxary and the disadvantage of making judgements on the first team squad and that alone, Moyes has to ensure that their is the space for these prodigeys to develop. For him to deny that would i feel hamper the foundations put in place and ruin the motivation of the club as a whole, and we would go the same way as the Newcastles of this world.
Our model is the most simialar to Utd's and Arsenal and i for one think that very shortly it will yeild results. If you look at the Utd team during the week, they had Wes Brown, Giggs and Scholes lifting the Champions Leauge and numerous other home grown talents on the bench. Collectively the value of these homegrown players wil be more then our transfer budget which underlines my point.
Invest by all means, but in propotion to what we are trying to acheive and what the club can afford and compliment the model of the club. Money will not get you to the next level alone! Im looking at you Rafael.
I am sure plenty of people feel this summer is the most important, as last summer was, and as many will feel next summer wil be. Money does not mean success it is part of the sum of many variables that contribute to success.
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
But they are the type of injuries that most clubs stretched over 4 competitions casn expect to face. It'll happen again next season if we play as many games. We need to be aiming for a very good understudy for each position...we've been understrength in terms of squad size for way too long. At Christmas even Moyes was falling into the trap of stating he had assembled a very strong squad...he was regretting that statement by Easter.
The difference is though that they have had instability in terms of changes in manager every few seasons. Players are moved on way too quickly and dont have time to gel. Moyes is secure and has stamped his authority on the club and knows exactly what he can do to improve...and if his view is that we need to push on with more signings to strengthen the squad then he should be backed if we have an ownership structure willing and able to do that. We haven't.
Bit premature. As for no heart and passion barring a few, I think there's an assumption that because they cost a fortune and get paid loads they dont care. No doubt some dont, but I dont think that'll be because they cost, or are not local or at the wrong end of their careers or getting a good wedge.
I think United and Arsenal are neglecting their own youngsters. Who has come through the ranks at OT recently? They increasingly import....from near and far! And Arsenal trawl African nations and lower league French clubs for their young talent. That's operating in the transfer market too.
There has to be a blend. In this city we'll always get the young talent coming to us as long as Liverpool are going into the transfer market splashing big money. Their Academy is a dead loss compared with ours. We can nurture that talent and give it a better chance of succeeding in the Premiership, for that reason we'll continue to unearth some gems. But along with that good fortune and emphasis on youth we need to 'import' special talent and that requires a lot of capital. Moyes has complained he can't compete in the market (as much in terms of being able to match the going rate on wages for players he feels would push us on as transfer cost). That has to stop.
Agreed.
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