Making a Murderer Documentary on Netflix

[Jags..class]

These two were very shady

https://streamable.com/hvr5

The bit what get me from that video is
You were never there

 

[The Cowboy]

IMO he may or may hot have been guilty. At first glance, Occam's razor would suggest that a dead body doesn't just turn up your yard on it's own. No smoke without fare bla bla, but that's such a narrow minded approach considering the failings of the police.

My main problem with it was that the way the police conducted the whole investigation was a farce. A complete embarrassment with so many holes and so much corrupt crap going on that it meant the jury were just voting based on which way their heart strings had been pulled rather than the evidence. It brings to home the lack of rigour that the police have to put in to build a murder case, especially when the prosecution's can distort the evidence in any way they like and say whatever they want to the public in order to swing perception.

One more upsetting thing for me was that I grew to dislike the brother of the girl who was killed. He wasn't thinking straight and just wanted to see heads roll. Why didn't the family get outraged at all the missing pieces of evidence?

How on earth could they place the murder in the garage, then have no evidence for it?

The judge must have had some sort of agenda based on that alone. All in all, great show but it'll make you sad for humanity at the same time.

The brother is a bad bad tit. He'd believe the earth was flat if Ken Keats told him it was.

The bit that frustrates me is during sentencing, the judge keeps talking about Avery's crimes getting worse and worse, as if the acquittal just never happened! What exactly was he supposed to have committed in the past that showed an escalation in criminal violence?

The defense lawyer summed it up perfectly 'most of us can expect not to commit a crime. But if you're accused of a crime, well...good luck to ya, in this system.'

 

[bring the ghost on]

What exactly was he supposed to have committed in the past that showed an escalation in criminal violence?

Well, starting with burglary and then moving onto burning a defenceless animal alive and then running his cousin off the road at gun point shows an escalation in criminal violence, surely?

 

[The Cowboy]

Well, starting with burglary and then moving onto burning a defenceless animal alive and then running his cousin off the road at gun point shows an escalation in criminal violence, surely?

But wasn't the 'running his cousin off the road' contentious as well?

 

[bring the ghost on]

But wasn't the 'running his cousin off the road' contentious as well?

Maybe, but he was sentenced to six years for it, so I think the judge is within his rights to take it into account during sentencing.

 

[neil999]

WOAAAH!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...aims-airtight-alibi-in-making-a-murderer-case

 

[Boss_Blue]

WOAAAH!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...aims-airtight-alibi-in-making-a-murderer-case

Would be hilarious to see the police squirm in the courtroom again if this proves to be reliable evidence.

 

[neil999]

Would be hilarious to see the police squirm in the courtroom again if this proves to be reliable evidence.

press coverage will be crazy

 

[The Cowboy]

Some of the reddit stuff is amazing.

For example, someone noticed that Theresa Halbach's first appointment of the day was a Mr Schmitz, who's mother in law's maiden name was Halbach...

 

[neil999]

Some of the reddit stuff is amazing.

For example, someone noticed that Theresa Halbach's first appointment of the day was a Mr Schmitz, who's mother in law's maiden name was Halbach...

does this mean anything? is it just people trying to find evidence of something where there isnt any?

 

[The Cowboy]

does this mean anything? is it just people trying to find evidence of something where there isnt any?

People just trying to find connections to suggest alternative suspects / motives. Clearly they have a lot of time on their hands.

 

[evertoniandy]

Would be hilarious to see the police squirm in the courtroom again if this proves to be reliable evidence.

He left his phone at home or someone else used it. Hardly airtight in my opinion.

 

[neil999]

He left his phone at home or someone else used it. Hardly airtight in my opinion.

that was my initial thought but there must be more to it than that..

 

[Efcjake]

Some of the reddit stuff is amazing.

For example, someone noticed that Theresa Halbach's first appointment of the day was a Mr Schmitz, who's mother in law's maiden name was Halbach...

Some of it is great.

There is a lot that I don't like about it though. Some people are convinced of his innocence and attack people who don't share their view of it. There is some good investigative work by the amateur sleuths but it is surrounded by baseless speculation from others claiming they have "proof" of something or another. There is also a lot of personal attacks on people involved, not just against the cops or Kratz but against the Halbach family and the ex-boyfriend to the point of some serious libel.

Everybody in here is on a much more even keel (unless we're talking about Martinez).

 

[Efcjake]

WOAAAH!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...aims-airtight-alibi-in-making-a-murderer-case

I don't know what to make of this. It has come from her twitter account, which if any of you have taken a look at is absolutely full of nonsense that I can make head nor tail out of. This is the clearest statement she's probably posted in over a month of being on the case.

If they can prove that Teresa left the Avery property by way of her cellphone being located/pinged by a cell network tower elsewhere in the state then it raises a lot of doubts about how the prosecution argued the supposed murder happened. If Zellner can prove that she pinged a tower somewhere else in the state, in another county, while Steven was on his landline making a call to Jodi or someone else then she will have produced enough questioning of the state's evidence to hopefully cause a retrial.

Reddit has found out that there was a mad rush on to declare Teresa dead on Nov 5th, 2005, even before the bones were properly identified as human remains. The theory is that the paperwork was rushed to allow them to get a search warrant and to arrest Avery before the old Sherriff and Defense Attorney from his 1985 case were scheduled to give their depositions on Nov 10th, 2005 for Avery's civil suit against Mantiwoc county.