Lukaku interview about Anelka - liverpool fans kicking up....

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Might be some trouble here......Lukaku gave an interview, which Everton website posted and then deleted, where he gave his support to Anelka.

He hasn't really done anything wrong, apart from being stupid (the Everton web team should have known to edit his comments anyways).....but the media could go to town on this.....Liverpool fans getting things going on twitter already....
 
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Granted I don't know much about the history of this quenelle gesture that Anelka did but it seems like it's being interpreted as something it's not. From what I gather, it's a political statement, not religious or anti-semetic. It all seems a bit silly to me.
 
Granted I don't know much about the history of this quenelle gesture that Anelka did but it seems like it's being interpreted as something it's not. From what I gather, it's a political statement, not religious or anti-semetic. It all seems a bit silly to me.

i really doubt Lukaku knows what it means either (he's only 20 after all...and a footballer)....he's just unwisely answered a question by a mischievous reporter......
 
'Kopites are on twitter...could be trouble...'

Ha Ha Ha. Like they have a leg to stand on with the pic of Sakho saluting.
 
It's an antisemitic gesture that everyone is trying to cover up as a vague harmless antiestablishment one. Whether it originated in that way (just anti-establishment or antizionest) or not its quite clearly currently used widely as an anti-semitic gesture.
If Anelka did not know the antisemitic associations when 'dedicating it to a comedian friend' then he should say so and plead so earnestly to avoid a ban.
Similarly all the other footballers giving support to Anelka or Deudonne (spelling?) should probably just be advised to stear clear for a while? Sakho, Nasri, now Lukaku--- its quite clear that to many people the gesture is just a cool rebelious clique type of thing- but with so many clear examples of racism attached to it maybe journalists shouldn't be asking ill-informed footballers their thoughts on the matter- will only stir up trouble like today whereby Lukaku said he idolised Anelka as a youngster and would hate to see him banned on what he assumes isn't antisemitic because he likes seeing him on the field.
 

Granted I don't know much about the history of this quenelle gesture that Anelka did but it seems like it's being interpreted as something it's not. From what I gather, it's a political statement, not religious or anti-semetic. It all seems a bit silly to me.


It may or may not have started as one, however if you do some quick research on the comedian who created it, the one who Anelka was apparently "in support" of, you'll see he has a lot of abbhorant views. People are now taking selfies at Auscwitz and outside Anne Franks house doing the salute. The nazi salute started out as a sign of obedience to Hitler way before the outbreak of WWII, but neo-nazis and general racists use it still as that is what it's now associated with.
 

Good piece from The Guardian on Anelka and the Quenelle gesture

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/21/west-brom-nicolas-anelka-reaction-quenelle

There's more at stake for West Brom in Nicolas Anelka case than points

The Midlands club's reaction to the quenelle gesture betrays their past as equality pioneers and it underlines that football still signs up for all the initiatives but just does not always mean it

The statue will go up in the centre of West Bromwich on 15 July, the 25th anniversary of Laurie Cunningham's death. It the work of the Barnsley sculptor Graham Ibbeson, called The Celebration, and will also show Cyrille Regis and Brendon Batson back in the days when they were known as the Three Degrees and had to base their professional lives around a soundtrack of racial abuse.

"The grounds that really stuck out were Leeds, West Ham, Birmingham, Everton, Tottenham and Chelsea," Regis writes in his 2010 autobiography. "At Spurs they used to sing: 'Who's that up a tree – big Cyrille, big Cyrille.' Three black players in one team was just too much for some supporters." Back at the Hawthorns, the office staff used to dread opening the post. "Laurie copped it worse because he went out with a white lady," Regis remembers. One of the letters had a bullet inside and a warning about what would happen if Cunningham became the first black footballer to play for England.

West Brom's supporters hardly need the history lesson. Their club has been a bastion for equality in sport and life. Or, at least, it has until that moment, 40 minutes into their game at West Ham United last month, when Nicolas Anelka prodded the ball into the net and celebrated with la quenelle – in a game shown live on French television.

The disciplinary charge from the Football Association is both necessary and overdue and it can only be hoped Anelka receives a fittingly long ban for his "special dedication" in support of his friend, the so-called humorist Dieudonné M'bala M'bala. If they are friends, Anelka cannot be unaware of Dieudonné's history, his convictions for antisemitism, his reference to the Holocaust as "memorial pornography", the reasons why he is banned from public appearances in France and the background to a salute that gives his followers just about enough greyness and deniability to squirm their way out of normal legal responses.

Anelka's argument is that it was an innocent gesture but he insults our intelligence by making out he is good enough friends with Dieudonné to dedicate a goal to him, but not good enough to know about the man. Perhaps the FA could bring along some of those charming photos that can be found on the internet of Dieudonné's acolytes performing outside Auschwitz and other places of great sensitivity. Then, perhaps, they could use their powers so we do not have to see Anelka on a football pitch for a long time indeed.

Alan Cleverley, secretary of the West Bromwich Albion Official Supporters Club, summed it up pretty accurately. "It sounds as if he did it on purpose because he knew the match was being shown live in France. If the book gets thrown at him, I've got no sympathy whatsoever."

It is an important moment for West Brom and it is knowing their background and everything they have stood for, and against, that makes it feel slightly perplexing, troubling even, that they have not been more proactive. They have been put in a horrible, invidious position but so far they have handled this issue with little clarity and eloquence. They could also have made a stand and they chose not to.

The problem in football is there is a culture among the professional clubs of self-preservation, of condemning these kind of incidents unless it actually involves one of their own. If someone of another profession had, say, put an antisemitic message on Twitter, he or she would have been suspended immediately. Yet football operates by its own rules, often in denial, signing up for all the initiatives, just not always meaning it.

A time will surely come when a Premier League club breaks free and acknowledges there is a bigger picture – and more to play for than just league points. But Liverpool did not manage it when Luis Suárez racially abused Patrice Evra and the decision-makers at Anfield tried every last desperate measure to portray him as the victim. Chelsea's admission that John Terry had acted abominably towards Anton Ferdinand came far too late and now we have these bland statements from West Brom and the impression, certainly to begin with, that they did not understand the seriousness of the matter, and their first concern was whether Anelka could still be selected.

Keith Downing, their caretaker manager at the time, should probably be given the benefit of the doubt for his poor response on the day, reacting with indignation to the suggestion that Anelka had done anything wrong and describing it as "absolute rubbish". it is true, after all, that outside of a few fanatics the British audience would not have understood the significance of the quenelle at that point. Downing, nonetheless, would have been much better off saying the club was aware of the allegation, would look into it properly and then comment further.

It is what has happened since then that makes you wonder whether West Brom have blurred their priorities and put more in the fact that Anelka might be able to pinch them a goal or two rather than point 7.1 of their own club charter, which stipulates: "Everyone will be regarded equally irrespective of their race, colour, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, disability, marital or family status, age or ethnic origin." How does the quenelle, for everyone to see, fit into that?

West Brom's first statement on the subject almost mentioned in passing that Anelka's salute had "caused offence in some quarters", which was a strange way of putting it. There has not been a hint of an apology and there is no legitimate reason, whatever the relevant people say, about why they have to wait until after the FA inquiry before holding their own investigation and taking action themselves.

Anelka did what is alleged. Everyone saw it and he will have to live with the consequences, not that he has particularly done a great deal to argue his innocence anyway. After that, it is over to West Brom and the question is: do they really want this person representing their club?
 
It's an antisemitic gesture that everyone is trying to cover up as a vague harmless antiestablishment one. Whether it originated in that way (just anti-establishment or antizionest) or not its quite clearly currently used widely as an anti-semitic gesture.
If Anelka did not know the antisemitic associations when 'dedicating it to a comedian friend' then he should say so and plead so earnestly to avoid a ban.
Similarly all the other footballers giving support to Anelka or Deudonne (spelling?) should probably just be advised to stear clear for a while? Sakho, Nasri, now Lukaku--- its quite clear that to many people the gesture is just a cool rebelious clique type of thing- but with so many clear examples of racism attached to it maybe journalists shouldn't be asking ill-informed footballers their thoughts on the matter- will only stir up trouble like today whereby Lukaku said he idolised Anelka as a youngster and would hate to see him banned on what he assumes isn't antisemitic because he likes seeing him on the field.

Is it very widespread? I'll admit I'm not prone to making gestures of any kind, but I'd never seen or heard of it until this thing with Anelka cropped up.
 
Anelka has been causing trouble all his career. He's known to be into politics, and he's a Muslim. He knew exactly what he was doing.

The most common reason for doing the salute is to show solidarity with the Palestinians in their ongoing Troubles with Israel. While that cause is just and fair, some take it too far and begin spreading hate-speech against the Jews (of which that french comedian is guilty).

Anelka understands all this, but Lukaku likely doesn't.


I wouldn't worry about Lukaku getting bad press over it, the media don't care enough about us.
 
Liverpool fans talking about players being racist?...

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Is it very widespread? I'll admit I'm not prone to making gestures of any kind, but I'd never seen or heard of it until this thing with Anelka cropped up.

Apparently it's big in France (Anelka's friend, who is famous for the gesture, is barred from public appearances), and the game v West Ham was televised live in France.
 

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