Lukaku finally proves there's more to his game than goals

[Pabbers]

Lukaku at 22 is better than Shearer was at 22, and its not even close.

But nobody takes penalties away from Shearers records....

 

[mythbuster]

Lukaku at 22 is better than Shearer was at 22, and its not even close.

But nobody takes penalties away from Shearers records....

To be fair, even without his pens, he 's the all time top scorer with 204 goals not from pens.

 

[Pabbers]

To be fair, even without his pens, he 's the all time top scorer with 204 goals not from pens.

What about excluding games were his touch was off ?? Can you exclude them please.

 

[Pabbers]

To be fair, even without his pens, he 's the all time top scorer with 204 goals not from pens.

Sorry mate, can you also exclude goals against really poor teams, and also if he scored 3 or more against anyone, ta.

 

[pedro76]

Lukaku at 22 is better than Shearer was at 22, and its not even close.

But nobody takes penalties away from Shearers records....

First thing I thought when I read this was that "he must never have seen Alan Shearer pre-cruciate injury", even after his cruciate injury he was unbeleivable - before it he really was something else.

When SAF tries to sign a striker twice you know he's good. When Roy Keane hates someone, he often finds it impossible to say something nice about them (he doesn't like shearer) - he said United would have won more titles with Shearer, and thats despite having had Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney in his time there.

There is no point in comparing Rom with Shearer - Rom isn't the best in the league, and the best in the league (Aguero) isn't as good as shearer was IMO - close-ish but no.

Shearer banged in all those goals playing for 3 clubs with an average league finish of around 9th place. If he had played for united he would have set records that will not be broken.

look at his attributes:-

Hold up play - strong as an ox, tight control, bullied centre halves when he was 20/21
in the air - lets just say there was only big dunc who was better
finishing - left foot or right foot he had zero backlift and hit it like a bullet

he took freekicks and scored, he worked the channels and crossed the ball so well.

Aside from that I thought he was a snidey horrible player - he booted neil lennon in the face, didn't like getting it back from defenders - he could dish it but wouldn't take it. He was the FA's golden boy who got in referees faces. But what a player.

 

[Pabbers]

First thing I thought when I read this was that "he must never have seen Alan Shearer pre-cruciate injury", even after his cruciate injury he was unbeleivable - before it he really was something else.

When SAF tries to sign a striker twice you know he's good. When Roy Keane hates someone, he often finds it impossible to say something nice about them (he doesn't like shearer) - he said United would have won more titles with Shearer, and thats despite having had Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney in his time there.

There is no point in comparing Rom with Shearer - Rom isn't the best in the league, and the best in the league (Aguero) isn't as good as shearer was IMO - close-ish but no.

Shearer banged in all those goals playing for 3 clubs with an average league finish of around 9th place. If he had played for united he would have set records that will not be broken.

look at his attributes:-

Hold up play - strong as an ox, tight control, bullied centre halves when he was 20/21
in the air - lets just say there was only big dunc who was better
finishing - left foot or right foot he had zero backlift and hit it like a bullet

he took freekicks and scored, he worked the channels and crossed the ball so well.

Aside from that I thought he was a snidey horrible player - he booted neil lennon in the face, didn't like getting it back from defenders - he could dish it but wouldn't take it. He was the FA's golden boy who got in referees faces. But what a player.

That's all great mate, and I loved watching Shearer, top player. BUT, I said compare the 2 at 22.

Rom has 100 goals, Shearer had about 40.

Regardless of how Shearer turned into the best prem striker, I said compare them at 22, Rom is better at this stage.

 

[dave abrahams]

Shearer wasn't great - he was a phenomenal striker. Anyone who says otherwise never got to see him in the mid 90's. A 22 year old Alan Shearer in todays market would break the transfer record. There was only one better striker than him at that time and that was Ronaldo and there hasn't been anyone like him since.

Do people really forget Lukaku is still young? Personally I think its impossible to forget his age as its used every flaming time by a commentator.

Irritating cliches:-

Lukaku = "people forget he's still a young lad"

Fowler = "most natural finisher since Jimmy Greaves"

Crouch = "great feet for a big man"

a defensive midfielder = "the makelele role"

awful goalkeeper = "he's a good shot stopper"

James Milner = "he puts in a shift for you"

I am more and more optimistic about Lukaku becoming a very good striker - this season he seems to have ironed out some flaws in his game and he along with the coaching staff deserve credit for that.

All your responses are spoken sensibly and with good logic and rational, I agree with most of them.

 

[pedro76]

That's all great mate, and I loved watching Shearer, top player. BUT, I said compare the 2 at 22.

Rom has 100 goals, Shearer had about 40.

Regardless of how Shearer turned into the best prem striker, I said compare them at 22, Rom is better at this stage.

we aren't going down the goals scored for Anderlecht road are we? Not being funny but Mitrovic was top belgian scorer with 20 goals last year - he has 2 for Newcastle. Its a poor league.

As I have said, Lukaku is improving but lets not overstate his quality - just yet!

 

[Pabbers]

we aren't going down the goals scored for Anderlecht road are we? Not being funny but Mitrovic was top belgian scorer with 20 goals last year - he has 2 for Newcastle. Its a poor league.

As I have said, Lukaku is improving but lets not overstate his quality - just yet!

I just said compare the 2 at 22, that is it.

Anderlecht goals at 16 are better than what Shearer was doing at 16.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

credit to RM who has worked on all his weakness's

Some on here were complaining saying we should just concentrate on his strengths....funny same people are the RM haters.

I wonder if they will give RM credit

I was one of the Lukaku critics and also Martinez, right now im leaning on the fence (too big to sit on it) with Martinez, in terms of Lukaku I think bobby has realised that bringing Kone in to help Rom is reaping the rewards. Fair play to him on that point. I think working with Ferguson has also helped Romelu, hold up play and first touch (many peoples complaint) has improved a lot. Again fair play to Romelu for looking to improve rather than most players who just say it.

 

[Deleted member 24970]

It's not just that we don't have them as such, I think the type of player that grabs games "by the scruff of the neck" is fast fading from the game.

Players are much more introspective and focused on the individual stats by which they live and die these days.

Also a massive under the radar type issue is that players like shearer and gerrard were labelled as a 'complete forward' and a 'box to box midfielder'. This meant they had free role of the pitch to effect the game as and when they see fit.
These days your no longer a box to box dynamo, you have to be either a defensive midfielder or attacking midfielder, if you want to attack then you have to play a defensive player next to you. This in effect limits some players natural play, im guessing footballers enjoyed playing more in the 90's were you just played football, just look at a substitute now, he is bombarded with about 15 sheets of papers about were he should be, how the opposition are playing, what they are having for tea at the team hotel - its madness. Just play a player and ask him to give 100% and base his decisions on the game he is involved in, not what happened in the previous 5 games and how they could do that to you on the day.
Possession stats, philosophies, your role is......, getting abit too tactical.

 

[Carlito]

I wasn't a huge fan, but I've just been informed that he's better than Shearer.

 

[chicoazul]

At 22 viera was on his second season at Arsenal and won the league and cup double. Keane earned his move to Man United by being a dominant force in the forest side for a few years previous.

I think Keane was signed from a relegated Notts Forest team.

 

[pedro76]

I think Keane was signed from a relegated Notts Forest team.

he was - he was their player of the season too and in the PFA team of the season. Blackburn came in for him, they messed up the paperwork and Man United signed him for a British record. £3.75m.... bargain.

reminds me of when Juninho was relegated with middlesboro and was runner up in the football writers player of the year.

 

[Woolly Blue]

he was - he was their player of the season too and in the PFA team of the season. Blackburn came in for him, they messed up the paperwork and Man United signed him for a British record. £3.75m.... bargain.

reminds me of when Juninho was relegated with middlesboro and was runner up in the football writers player of the year.

I'd love to have the feeling of "can't wait to see Rom today", the way that I did when we had Rooney.

The reality is that I watch him in the first 10 minutes to see "what mood is he in". Its great like what we seen in the derby, just not great in the games where everything seems an effort.

If he adds consistency and 100% effort to his game he can be one of the best, without that he is a feast or famine player.

"playing to someones strengths" or avoiding their weaknesses?

This is where I struggle - for Rom we are able to use the "play to strengths" line, but when it comes to Barkley its a case of criticising the things he doesn't do well rather than focussing on the good things that he does do.

They two of them do lack that certain mentality that made the likes of Keane, Gerrard, Shearer such fierce competitors who could grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

I do hate Red Stevie, but for me I seen his "mindset" from an early age. He flew in on the "guvnor" when he was playing for Middlesboro - the guvnor tried to bully him and gerrard had absolutely none of it. His maturity camer through under the guidance of mcallister.

Agreed - I think the jpeg of Rom with his goals scored at 21 is flawed - for one it completely misses Robbie Fowler out who scored around 70 league goals. Secondly if you came from another planet you would be led to beleive that "alan shearer" wasn't all that good.....

simply put Alan Shearer is the most complete striker we have seen in the prem who plundered those goals playing for lesser quality teams than the likes of Henry etc etc.

Put simply... if someone offered me a 22 year old Alan Shearer in exchange for Rom I would throw in an extra £20m to make that happen


I hate to say it but the same goes for Barkley with a Gerrard.

Roy keane and viera never scored double figures. So what's your point? I'm talking about mentality - scruff of the neck grabbing, winners mentality.

I'm not disagreeing on what he can be but the hyperbole around the lad is ridiculous. Good player with a load of scope to improve.

Shearer wasn't great - he was a phenomenal striker. Anyone who says otherwise never got to see him in the mid 90's. A 22 year old Alan Shearer in todays market would break the transfer record. There was only one better striker than him at that time and that was Ronaldo and there hasn't been anyone like him since.

Do people really forget Lukaku is still young? Personally I think its impossible to forget his age as its used every flaming time by a commentator.

Irritating cliches:-

Lukaku = "people forget he's still a young lad"

Fowler = "most natural finisher since Jimmy Greaves"

Crouch = "great feet for a big man"

a defensive midfielder = "the makelele role"

awful goalkeeper = "he's a good shot stopper"

James Milner = "he puts in a shift for you"

I am more and more optimistic about Lukaku becoming a very good striker - this season he seems to have ironed out some flaws in his game and he along with the coaching staff deserve credit for that.

we aren't going down the goals scored for Anderlecht road are we? Not being funny but Mitrovic was top belgian scorer with 20 goals last year - he has 2 for Newcastle. Its a poor league.

As I have said, Lukaku is improving but lets not overstate his quality - just yet!

Cheerio mate ( NEC / Hafnia )

*waves to chief informer