Loyalty

[Del]

When was this? Before our record breaking season?

After the Swansea cup game

 

[TX Bill]

Loyalty is earned 7 wins in 25 league games is not a bad patch its almost 2/3 of a football season, not to mention the bad signings and not getting in another CB after we conceded 10 goals in our first 3 league games, not to mention the devastating pre-season, which people were wrongly telling was nothing to be concerned about, I would now beg to differ, we are in a total mess, and its not as some suggested the type of thing where you can write off a season as the effects of the potential players losses that could effect us could make a terrible situation worse, what if our better players decided to get off, would that be ok? no.

While I don't disagree with your assessment of this season, you and many others are conveniently forgetting his work from last season.

If this was his first season with us, I think many many more would want a change. But based on his work and how we did last season, he's earned a bit of that loyalty.

That said, he's got to be on a short leash now. However I'd love to see him (and the players no doubt) work his way out of this mess.

 

[hullefc]

The players need to take a long hard look at themselves.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Not about loyalty at this stage. We're 4 points from 19th place after 20 games. With the squad we've got that's nothing short of criminal. If he doesn't win one or two in the next three games we're in a relegation battle there's no two ways about it.

I don't care who is at the helm, if you're in a relegation battle with that squad you need to go. I actually wanted Roberto in, and I think he's a great bloke. If he was Bayern/Barca manager he'd have them winning the league, but he doesn't understand that their tactics don't suit everyone.

 

[Goat]

After the Swansea cup game

Lad even ya bird says you aint loyal, so for gods sake, pipe down.

 

[PurpleRain]

While I don't disagree with your assessment of this season, you and many others are conveniently forgetting his work from last season.

If this was his first season with us, I think many many more would want a change. But based on his work and how we did last season, he's earned a bit of that loyalty.

That said, he's got to be on a short leash now. However I'd love to see him (and the players no doubt) work his way out of this mess.

good point

 

[Muggins]

While I don't disagree with your assessment of this season, you and many others are conveniently forgetting his work from last season.

If this was his first season with us, I think many many more would want a change. But based on his work and how we did last season, he's earned a bit of that loyalty.

That said, he's got to be on a short leash now. However I'd love to see him (and the players no doubt) work his way out of this mess.

Bill if this was genuinely just a poor patch of form from the team then I'd totally agree, but I've got a bad gut feeling that something is massively wrong behind the scenes...

At this point I just want to know what's going on, because at the moment you could probably pull a starting 11 off this forum who would show more fight than the lads on the pitch.

It's genuinely heartbreaking for me.

 

[PurpleRain]

The players need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Bill if this was genuinely just a poor patch of form from the team then I'd totally agree, but I've got a bad gut feeling that something is massively wrong behind the scenes...

At this point I just want to know what's going on, because at the moment you could probably pull a starting 11 off this forum who would show more fight than the lads on the pitch.

It's genuinely heartbreaking for me.

there is zero confidence in the team, people dont want the ball and it's spreading through the team. The worst thing is he keeps picking the same players. God knows what the young lads must be thinking on the fringe.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Bill if this was genuinely just a poor patch of form from the team then I'd totally agree, but I've got a bad gut feeling that something is massively wrong behind the scenes...

At this point I just want to know what's going on, because at the moment you could probably pull a starting 11 off this forum who would show more fight than the lads on the pitch.

It's genuinely heartbreaking for me.

Agreeing with every word here Muggins. The thing I want above all else if for the lads to go out there and scrap for every ball, put their heads where it hurts and show that they care about pulling on the shirt. The amount of teams that came back from goals down today was unreal, all those teams have resilience and players that were fired up to try and mount a comeback.

I'm seeing absolutely none of that from our lot. Tim Cahill wouldn't be turning in these kinds of performances.

 

[Muggins]

Agreeing with every word here Muggins. The thing I want above all else if for the lads to go out there and scrap for every ball, put their heads where it hurts and show that they care about pulling on the shirt. The amount of teams that came back from goals down today was unreal, all those teams have resilience and players that were fired up to try and mount a comeback.

I'm seeing absolutely none of that from our lot. Tim Cahill wouldn't be turning in these kinds of performances.

I agree mate, that's what indicates to me that something is up.

It takes one player to show some real fight to make Goodison roar behind the team.

Just before kick off I said to my arl fella, Goodison only gets going when we get snided, and true to form we were snided by a poor ref, but then nothing..no response.

Gutted.

Then I'm walking down Walton Lane in a snow blizzard waiting for a bus to Kirkby that was never going to arrive and having to hail down a cab looking like the abominable snowman...

Ffs.

 

[blue61]

I agree mate, that's what indicates to me that something is up.

It takes one player to show some real fight to make Goodison roar behind the team.

Just before kick off I said to my arl fella, Goodison only gets going when we get snided, and true to form we were snided by a poor ref, but then nothing..no response.

Gutted.

Then I'm walking down Walton Lane in a snow blizzard waiting for a bus to Kirkby that was never going to arrive and having to hail down a cab looking like the abominable snowman...

Ffs.

This is what concerns me more than anything else, It only takes one setback for the team to collectively drop their heads. I think the players, manager and backroom staff need to go on the ale and have a big barney to clear the air.

 

[Muggins]

This is what concerns me more than anything else, It only takes one setback for the team to collectively drop their heads. I think the players, manager and backroom staff need to go on the ale and have a big barney to clear the air.

As ridiculous as it sounds, you're probably right mate.

 

[toffee matt]

 

[Tubey]

I think it's becoming increasingly clear that a lot of people around the club and around this forum aren't maybe as blue as they paint themselves.

I think a lot of people decided that martinez wasn't for them and rather than change their opinion as he did better (and hands up, I used to hate him but I don't see how admitting you were wrong when thigns change is a weakness) have set their stall up. The worst thing in the world is to be wrong on the itnerent so if you said bobby wasn't up for it, well better hope bobby wasn't up for it.

I think a lot of our so called supporters are enjoying us being bad, relishing our bad form because it allows them to prove themselves right in their doubts.

If you didn't rate howard and distin and osman, you get to blame them for sabotaging bobby. if you didn't want martinez in, you get to blame him for upsetting our players.

This isn't everton and I dodn't think people who are so eager to see us lose so they can stick knives in (to either side) are really evertonians.

True blues get behind our team and that includes both our manager and our players.

We're in bad form and it's not acceptable but this night of the long knives, bad apple hunting, stuff is beneath us.

If you want Martinez sacked or half our squad sacked based on 4 bad games, maybe you're not supporting the right club.

Joke of a post, labelling anyone not happy with a solid two months at minimum (last away win October by the way) as not proper Blues. The fact 30+ people have "liked" it genuinely makes me sick.

 

[Tubey]

What a load of RAWK nonsense. There isn't a single blue I know who wants us to lose just so it would validate their opinion. And besides, even if they did, it has no bearing upon the result of the game. Our relegation form is NOT THE FANS FAULT!

Ridiculing and excommunicating those who are prepared to recognise and speak up about the failings on the pitch is what takes place in cults like RAWK.

Spot on.