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Liverpool v Everton. 28th Jan at 20.00.

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oh my days....

You would drop Barry or McCarthy for Joey Barton because hes a gobsh!te? Or as you call it "Captain material"?

Jags is a more than able captain and...

this is the clincher...

hes a quality footballer.

Unlike Mr Barton.

Might be a quality footballer, not a leader. They had Gerrard as captain last night compared to our quiet miserable Jags.
 
Hi guys, I wrote this last night, amongst the anger and dejection, but didn't successfully post, so thought I'd try when I was in from work today.

Having watched us from Royle onwards, that's the worst I've ever seen us play at Anfield, and I think we should be honest about that. At times we were all over the place. However, there are several mitigating factors.

Firstly, we have as many as 7 first teamers out, and 4 playing today, I am dubious how many of those are match fit.

Secondly, that is a very good Liverpool team. It remind me of the United team from the early 90's, sub Cantona for Suarez. Probably just lacking at centre-half.

In the end, we had a terrible combination of many things. A slow defence, high line, no pressure on the ball, and giving it away sloppily.

If we look at todays game, it's the sort of match we'd have probably lost 1/2 V 0 under Moyes. And perhaps Moyes's was was right, which is you can't be as open as we were today.

However, the change in philosophy on the whole, has bore it's dividends so far this season. Martinez sets us up to be open, and attacking, pretty much against any team, in any game, whatever the scoreline. At times like tonight, it can look embarrassing, when you are just not as good as the opposition on that particular night. At other times, it will allow you to take advantage of nerves in the opposition, like at United away.

Finally, if we learn from it, it could be a good experience for some of the young players. For lads like Stones, Barkley they have probably just seen what it takes to be a world class player. Taking the piss out of QPR doesn't teach you that, against prose who've given up years ago. Even to a degree for players like McCarthy, he should see how Gerard dominated, and want to do that going forward.
They should want to bottle the feeling in the dressing room tonight, and use it as motivation going forward.

A hard night, but the way Martinez plays, it won't be the last, there'll be plenty of good ones though. I have full confidence in him, being able to use tonight as a lesson to improve the players. Another striker would be ideal Roberto.


I hope it doesn't sound like too much apologism. I think people have been a little too harsh on Moyes for shutting up shop at the top four away, as results like last night can happen, but you also win a lot less rarely, and certainly not how we won, with the confidence and vigour like we did at OT.
1 result won't break us. Martinez has dealt with far worse setbacks at Wigan. I think some of the players needed a bit of a wakeup call. Fergie's kids lost a few games heavily (conceded 6 at Southampton) but as long as they don't become the norm, they aid a players development, make them hungrier. As a squad they've never let us down in terms of need, only really in times of expectation. We will come back from this.
 
This revisionism over Liverpool: they'll get turned over by West Brom or someone soon, we know it.

They took out a literally understrength and out of sorts Everton team last night.

They are not in the same league as the three above them. And United are going to come with a charge that'll have them reaching for their brown kecks.

This is spot on, they have a top class striker. Yesterday, they had 38% possession for a side who prioritises it. This is why their record against the top teams is so poor, they get found out.

We conceded 3 awful goals yesterday, and a set play. All were avoidable. We didn't avoid them, and it cost us.
 
Eh? What makes you think Bobby will change to hoofball??? Not gonna happen. The guys strength, apparently is his link play n the ground and is very good with his back to the goal. Which, if true, could see an improvement on Lukaku in some ways.

Obviously whether or not he can put the ball in the net frequently is a bit more important.

I know it is late to respond because I have been away. Inevitably in my experience when you have a very tall forward ther is always a tendency to lob a high ball forward to his head.
 
Hi guys, I wrote this last night, amongst the anger and dejection, but didn't successfully post, so thought I'd try when I was in from work today.

Having watched us from Royle onwards, that's the worst I've ever seen us play at Anfield, and I think we should be honest about that. At times we were all over the place. However, there are several mitigating factors.

Firstly, we have as many as 7 first teamers out, and 4 playing today, I am dubious how many of those are match fit.

Secondly, that is a very good Liverpool team. It remind me of the United team from the early 90's, sub Cantona for Suarez. Probably just lacking at centre-half.

In the end, we had a terrible combination of many things. A slow defence, high line, no pressure on the ball, and giving it away sloppily.

If we look at todays game, it's the sort of match we'd have probably lost 1/2 V 0 under Moyes. And perhaps Moyes's was was right, which is you can't be as open as we were today.

However, the change in philosophy on the whole, has bore it's dividends so far this season. Martinez sets us up to be open, and attacking, pretty much against any team, in any game, whatever the scoreline. At times like tonight, it can look embarrassing, when you are just not as good as the opposition on that particular night. At other times, it will allow you to take advantage of nerves in the opposition, like at United away.

Finally, if we learn from it, it could be a good experience for some of the young players. For lads like Stones, Barkley they have probably just seen what it takes to be a world class player. Taking the piss out of QPR doesn't teach you that, against prose who've given up years ago. Even to a degree for players like McCarthy, he should see how Gerard dominated, and want to do that going forward.
They should want to bottle the feeling in the dressing room tonight, and use it as motivation going forward.

A hard night, but the way Martinez plays, it won't be the last, there'll be plenty of good ones though. I have full confidence in him, being able to use tonight as a lesson to improve the players. Another striker would be ideal Roberto.


I hope it doesn't sound like too much apologism. I think people have been a little too harsh on Moyes for shutting up shop at the top four away, as results like last night can happen, but you also win a lot less rarely, and certainly not how we won, with the confidence and vigour like we did at OT.
1 result won't break us. Martinez has dealt with far worse setbacks at Wigan. I think some of the players needed a bit of a wakeup call. Fergie's kids lost a few games heavily (conceded 6 at Southampton) but as long as they don't become the norm, they aid a players development, make them hungrier. As a squad they've never let us down in terms of need, only really in times of expectation. We will come back from this.

The thing is, Moyes 'shut up shop' and still got tonked 3-0 at Anfield and we got 6-0 and 7-1 thrashings at the hands of Arsenal. It doesn't happen because you dont get loads behind the ball. It gets done because your players aren't on their game, [playing with knocks and are a maskeshift team.

As for Liverpool: Gerrard - dominate? You mean like Barkley dominated him and the first Derby when he was fit? I dont think we need to turn to him for lessons, tbh. Things aren't quite that bad.
 
Watching those interviews with Jags and Martinez they really look like they've been through the ringer, difficult not to feel sorry for them. The key thing for me was the injuries. Alcaraz Pienaar Barkley Jags, none of them were match fit. Also desperately unlucky for the first goal.
Let's beat villa and see where we are.
 
The thing is, Moyes 'shut up shop' and still got tonked 3-0 at Anfield and we got 6-0 and 7-1 thrashings at the hands of Arsenal. It doesn't happen because you dont get loads behind the ball. It gets done because your players aren't on their game, [playing with knocks and are a maskeshift team.

As for Liverpool: Gerrard - dominate? You mean like Barkley dominated him and the first Derby when he was fit? I dont think we need to turn to him for lessons, tbh. Things aren't quite that bad.

Yes you are right, but in reality we were probably "too loose" last night. But to play that way for Martinez is a principle not a tactic, so we have to accept it. It has born out good results.

And yes, Barkley certainly did. I suppose what I meant, was by watching Gerard influence the game last night, should give him motivation to want to achieve even more. Not let it happen again etc.
 
RM tried to play a team for us last night were at least maybe 4/5 of the team were carrying an injury = no squad depth and it backfired big time! 3 hoofed balls up the field and we let them run in on us they never had to use their midfield !
 
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