Let's talk about: Brian Clough's and Peter Taylor's Nottingham Forest

[blue61]

Can't remember a single thing about the football played

I was 17 mate, I'm drifting into arl getness as we speak.

 

[chrismpw]

I used to work in an office very close to Old Trafford when United signed Neil Webb.
One day I pulled along side him at some traffic lights. He was in a fancy sports car, roof down,
music blaring & wearing a cool pair of sunglasses. I was in my Ford Sierra. He had the
World at his feet. The epitome of success. He played for United and then got the England call up.
A glittering trophy laden career beckoned...He then got injured playing for England and went
downhill rapid. Lost his place in the United team. Lost his place in the England team. Put on weight.
He eventually split up from his journalist wife and ended up being a postman. Just how could it
all go so wrong? Amazing how life pans out...

Didn't he die young a few years back too, or am I confusing him with someone else?

Edit - just checked - he's still with us. Perhaps I was thinking of Remi Moses.

 

[flibbyflob]

That Simod Cup final was probably the best game I have ever been at, neither side cared about defending and just wanted to attack, was fun even though we lost.

 

[4737carlin]

Legend

 

[Piijt]

If you haven’t watched the Clough versus Revie interviews on YouTube then you really should.
Absolutely incredible. The enmity between them is vicious. You just would not and could get that
interview today or anywhere near it. It really is amazing. It’s in two parts but definitely worth a watch

Just watched that, thanks.
you just can’t imagine anything like that happening these days.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Still wish Clough and Taylor had replaced Catterick instead of Bingham.

 

[bluenorsky]

We had a chance in the 70's to hire Cloughy ,but we blew it.

 

[macdog]

Provided You Don't Kiss Me (think that's the correct title) is another good book on this pair.

 

[Walken]

I suspect the Michael sheen version is far more likeable than the reality

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

When he managed Roy Keane he was a choirboy who wouldn’t say boo to a goose.
Then he went to United under Ferguson...

If you haven’t watched the film The Damned United then you should.

Ferguson swooping in and signing him because Blackburn's club secretary refused to unlock the office on a weekend is one of football's great 'What if?' moments,

 

[BigMick]

Not enough credit given to Peter Taylor on this thread so far. Clough in his prime was undoubtedly a genius but Taylor was the man who identified the players they needed to sign and is regarded by many as one of the best judges of a player's strengths and weaknesses that there's been. Separate, they both had weaknesses, but together they were fantastic.

As for them taking over from Catterick at Everton in the 70s, there's no chance that our conservative board would have put up with them. I doubt they were ever seriously considered. Now Bobby Robson is a different matter...

 

[KaiserEFC]

We had a chance in the 70's to hire Cloughy ,but we blew it.

CLUBS A JOKE SACK THE BOARD KENWRONG OUT

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Not enough credit given to Peter Taylor on this thread so far. Clough in his prime was undoubtedly a genius but Taylor was the man who identified the players they needed to sign and is regarded by many as one of the best judges of a player's strengths and weaknesses that there's been. Separate, they both had weaknesses, but together they were fantastic.

As for them taking over from Catterick at Everton in the 70s, there's no chance that our conservative board would have put up with them. I doubt they were ever seriously considered. Now Bobby Robson is a different matter...

Definitely. Read that Taylor suggested signing Kenny Burns who had been converted to a striker for Birmingham after Bob Latchford came to Everton. Clough was dead set against him but Taylor was very persuasive. He was converted back to defender and won the Football writers' player of the year award in 77-78.

There's a reason I included Peter Taylor in the thread title.

 

[larbert toffee]

Didn't he die young a few years back too, or am I confusing him with someone else?

Edit - just checked - he's still with us. Perhaps I was thinking of Remi Moses.

Remi Moses still with us as well Chris, rumour was the only reason United bought him was the chairman at the time was very religious and he was hoping Moses could get a cross to Jordan..........

 

[catcherintherye]

Not much can be added to the acres of print about him really.

One in a million. Fatally flawed, (genius/madness and all that), but anyone who has the respect from the likes of Stuart Pearce and Roy Keane had sommet about them.

I didn't live through Clough, but you look at footage etc.

What strikes me with him are two things. Firstly as you say a complete maverick. The very best people, the genuises amongst us don't follow rule books or guides, they write them with how they do it. They set precadents etc. You always get the sense he did that.

The 2nd is his old idiom of football being a simple game made complicated by idiots. It's true of football and it's true of life. The amount of people I have worked, for, with, alongside, coordinated myself etc, the ones who can talk and act with simplicity stand out. The ones who have such an understanding and confidence to convey messages in a simple way stand out. He could do that. It's a great mantra for everyone.

We live in a world now, where we all want massively complex discussions on things, and people see themselves as making an impact has to be either a big thing, or a very complicated one. Just see what is simple and do that. Clough embodied this to me.