Kyle Naughton

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BlackToffee said:
OK, thanks for that correction. My point still stands. We didn;t know that Sheff Utd would rat on us. How could we have tied this up quicker, espcially given that he would have had to come to us for a medical, even if not for negotiations, which I am to told was done.

Also, the spurs intervention came on the friday, the day after our bid was accepted and we were refused contact with the player who was out of the country if I am correct. How could we have moved it any quicker?

Answers on a very small postcard would be nice. The only reason why I am badgering you is that I hate supporters who make unsubstantiated claims which they can't back up.

Back up your claim or keep schtum. And yes, I apologise for being a bit internet hardmanish, goes against my nature.
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How exactly have Sheff Utd rat on us? Maybe they have been out of order but if Man City offered us £15 million for Lescott only for Arsenal to come in with a late bid of £20 million, who would Everton prefer him to sign for?? Maybe we would act in an ethical manner, but who knows.
 
steevie said:
What i am saying is that any transfer targets should be signed in principal at the earliest opportunity, ie shortly after or just before the season. Instead, we allow others to be informed of our activity. I honestly cannot give anybody any concrete facts but the same can be said to each and everyone of us, what i am certain of however is that we are completely useless in the transfer market.
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Sounds great in theory, but if you self-impose deadlines then you are giving the sellers all the bargaining power. If you make a bid, it gets rejected, and you leave it a few weeks, maybe look at a few other targets, you hide your desperation to sign him. If you send you entire delegation out to Sheffield for a weekend to hammer out a deal, you give away your intent, and there is zero chance of getting the best deal.

On top of that, the seller wants the best price, so they will obviously alert other potential suiters the minute an offer is made, as will the players agent. There is no way, no way at all, that if we had made a bid two months ago that Spurs wouldn't have known.
 

Not going to beleive anything unless Naughton is holding a scarf over his head.

Its been us then them blah blah.

I will say this if he signs for Spurs, he may look at Chris Gunther (who was linked to us before Spurs) and behold his future, for all there hoarding and signing of young talent no one young player has really kicked on at Spurs have they.

Either way if he goes to Spurs he will end up rubbish, so we have nothing to worry about really! Everton make players, Spurs just sign them.
 
lordyefc said:
So either: his agent, acting more as his pimp, agreed terms with a club that his client told him that he didn't want to sign for, and the player (rather than simply inform the club that he didn't wish to sign for them) simply didn't turn up for his medical without warning.

or

Some bloke on a Sheff Utd forum made it up.

I know which one I think required the least assumptions.
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Fair enough, it could very easily have been made up. Nonetheless, the story you've invented there is nowhere near as ridiculous as you've made it sound.
 
Neiler said:
Not going to beleive anything unless Naughton is holding a scarf over his head.

Its been us then them blah blah.

I will say this if he signs for Spurs, he may look at Chris Gunther (who was linked to us before Spurs) and behold his future, for all there hoarding and signing of young talent no one young player has really kicked on at Spurs have they.

Either way if he goes to Spurs he will end up rubbish, so we have nothing to worry about really! Everton make players, Spurs just sign them.
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Exactly. Think I'm one of the very few to still think Naughton will sign for us.

Looks like no one read this post
Dutch Toffee said:
Think it would be safer to give him some rep. You could end up hugging a swine with kopite flu, for all you know.:D

Also this:
Everton poised to land Blades defender Naughton despite Spurs talks | Mail Online
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Don't know how reliable the Mail is, but still holding out hope.
 

steevie said:
What i am saying is that any transfer targets should be signed in principal at the earliest opportunity, ie shortly after or just before the season. Instead, we allow others to be informed of our activity. I honestly cannot give anybody any concrete facts but the same can be said to each and everyone of us, what i am certain of however is that we are completely useless in the transfer market.
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Earliest opportunity OK, that't your view. Its not always possible though is it? Not sure how that would contribute to the success or not of a transfer. Everyone is seeking to find someone at the earliest opportunity.

We allow others? In the specific case of Naughton how could we have stopped the manager from telling the world they had agreed a fee with us. Until the other day, we said nothing.

Any concrete facts? And here is the rub. You have no facts to back up your argument, but you have an argument. Don't you think it more sensible to have facts based on real evidence rather than just opinions? Opinions are great, but if your gonna accuse an organisation of incompetence has you have throughout this thread, isn't it best to have facts rather than opinions?
 
Dutch Toffee said:
You're not English mate?

Want to keep the Goat as my pet though.:lol:
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Like I would be some Dutch (insert rude word here) pet.

You can be my gimp if you want, I will tap the box when its time.


Loving the press. I think its safe to say that nobody knows anything about nothing. Ive said it before and I will say it again, they make up 99% of storys and get lucky now and again. Sky are as bad as anybody.
 
BlackToffee said:
Earliest opportunity OK, that't your view. Its not always possible though is it? Not sure how that would contribute to the success or not of a transfer. Everyone is seeking to find someone at the earliest opportunity.

We allow others? In the specific case of Naughton how could we have stopped the manager from telling the world they had agreed a fee with us. Until the other day, we said nothing.

Any concrete facts? And here is the rub. You have no facts to back up your argument, but you have an argument. Don't you think it more sensible to have facts based on real evidence rather than just opinions? Opinions are great, but if your gonna accuse an organisation of incompetence has you have throughout this thread, isn't it best to have facts rather than opinions?
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In agreement. No blame to be laid with Everton for the Naughton debacle. They saw what they wanted and they made their bid. SUFC saw fit to entertain other offers even after they had allegedly accepted Everton's. Moyes can sell it as best he can but in the end, it should be ultimately up to Naughton and those he relies on for advice. SUFC are willing to sell but they can't force Naughton some where he doesn't want to be unlike trades in American sports for those players without no-trade clauses.

I don't see Moyes getting pushed around on the bid and I can imagine Moyes saying to Naughton - You've seen what Everton has been able to do for players just like you (i.e. Jagielka) - something Spurs have never been able to deliver. If is the money you want, off to Spurs you go. If its being the best footballer you can be that you want, you have my number. I won't be waiting for your call - you'll know what you should do.
 

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