Koeman: Owner support not changed

[lancs blue]

Moshers has invested in koeman masks for everyone tomorrow. Nice bloke he is

 

[evertony]

"Arsenal is not unbeatable, it's also not the strongest team away from home this season."

Well done Ronald, you just wrote their pre match team talk.

Come on Dave.....if he'd have said "they"re a fantastic side and they've got top quality players like Sanchez, Lacazette and Giroud....how can we compete" he'd have the backside ripped out if him.
He can't say right for wrong currently, and in my mind that's what shows the sign of an inevitable parting of the ways.

It's a long term project but with short term mindsets.....that, for me, is a recipe for disaster.

 

[evertony]

Khalekan,

Yes we were the best team in Europe in May 1985 but I don't think we can blame God for the mess that we are in now.

Without getting too theological, we all have free will - that is a key part of the Christian belief. The fact that an individual(s) does/do not perform to the OPTIMUM is not the fault of God, it is simply human failing.

Did I pray at half time against Bayern in the LGS End - you can be assured I did. Did God decide to give us the win? Did He keep us up in 94 and 98? I am unsure whether His intervention or pure human effort were responsible.

In simple terms, we as a club are currently responsible for the mess we are in. Clive Thomas etc etc are human failings - I know that God is on my side, but I will not trouble Him with prayer for this mess to be fixed.

If we signed JC, and he performed miracles on the pitch, the minute the water didn't taste like Chateau Neuf du Pape he'd be crucified.

Sorry about the analogy, and it's not a cheap religious jibe, but it sums up how modern day football followers behave.

 

[evertony]

It's like watching a slow moving train gathering speed heading towards the abyss, the backing from the board will inevitably end up with them getting egg on their face, you're right Dave,it's about time he started inspiring our team and supporters with his comments and not other clubs.

What can he currently say that will appease you? I'm genuinely interested, because we all know that whatever he says he'll be ridiculed and it will change zero opinion.
If he said "it's all my fault as manager - I play players out of position and bought poorly. I didn't buy a forward to replace you know who"....or " the core of the team isn't good enough....which is why we signed 13 players"...will that motivate and inspire you? How about "Arsenal are a fantastic side - their reserves won away in the hostile environment of Red Star Belgrade", or "Burnley are shyte....that Dyche doesn't know what he's doing....we'll only need to turn up".


Tha fact is he's likely gone and is currently in no mans land until somebody backs him unequivocally (instead of via Jim White) or sacks him.

 

[evertony]

Because Moshiri knows the failings this season aren't entirely down to Koeman. On the pitch, of course that's down to Koeman and the players. But selling Lukaku early like it was a scheduled occurrence to sell our best player to Utd, the failings to bring in a replacement, the Barkley-Chelsea fiasco and Moshiri making a clown of himself to Jim White are the failings which are on the club as a whole. Sacking Koeman would be a sly move, shifting all the blame onto Ronald. Supporting him is an admission of guilt. The club best start getting its act together.

Very good post....sums the situation up perfectly for me.

 

[evertony]

dave, it will be unsworth until a replacement will be found.

how long this will take is anyones guess.

the recruiting of Koeman in the first place was cringworthingly slow and tedius. nothing will be any different here.

I just hope unsworth stabilizes us and doesn't ruin his own career if we were to perform similar under him and be in a real relagation battle.

All of that's very true.

Would you trust this bunch of players to enhance your growing reputation if you were Unsworth? Not a fecking chance.

 

[davek]

Come on Dave.....if he'd have said "they"re a fantastic side and they've got top quality players like Sanchez, Lacazette and Giroud....how can we compete" he'd have the backside ripped out if him.
He can't say right for wrong currently, and in my mind that's what shows the sign of an inevitable parting of the ways.

It's a long term project but with short term mindsets.....that, for me, is a recipe for disaster.

...it shows he's completely lacking in self reflection: a manager who hasn't won a game on the road since January commenting on Arsenal's away day woes.

That's off the charts deluded and the sign of someone who's lost a grip on football reality.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

And the most galling thing of all Eggy is that when we had a team capable of being crowned European Champions we were denied it through no fault of our own

And to think I used to write Jesus Christ Is An Evertonian on the sides of bus shelters

God turned his back on us long since.

Yep, so ironic that turn of events.
But the thing I've realised is that our inability to maintain our position domestically in the years that followed is what cost us .Others did. In truth and with hindsight our poor finances played a significant part in our fall from grace.
I blame our administrators from J. Moores onwards for failing to put in place a financial structure that would sustain us into the future,and I definitely include the much lauded P.Carter in that condemnation.
Ultimately, what has cost us our position was not a ban, but poor leadership at board level. We supporters never thought to question it until the golf loving Dr. Marsh was suddenly appointed chairman, so we too are somewhat culpable. We should always ask questions of our leadership.
Lesson learned.

 

[N.S.N.O.]

For me the most important question is who was responsible for the Summer signings?.....who wanted Rooney back... Who wanted Klassen and Sandro, when Sigurdsson was our main transfer target... Who decided to sign 4 number 10's when we knew in March that our Striker was leaving us....

If all this was Koeman, than he should be sacked immediately...

If it was Walsh, Moshiri and the Boards idea (particularly Rooney) than they need to take the blame.... Ffs, we're the 7th biggest club in the richest league in the world and we don't have a Striker (well Niasse, but that's nothing to be excited about).....Koeman several times in interviews this summer publicly asked for the club to buy a striker...

Without a striker and an injection of pace into this team, you can appoint a new manager next week, and he'll do well to still be in the job by the end of the season...

 

[larbert toffee]

What can he currently say that will appease you? I'm genuinely interested, because we all know that whatever he says he'll be ridiculed and it will change zero opinion.
If he said "it's all my fault as manager - I play players out of position and bought poorly. I didn't buy a forward to replace you know who"....or " the core of the team isn't good enough....which is why we signed 13 players"...will that motivate and inspire you? How about "Arsenal are a fantastic side - their reserves won away in the hostile environment of Red Star Belgrade", or "Burnley are shyte....that Dyche doesn't know what he's doing....we'll only need to turn up".


Tha fact is he's likely gone and is currently in no mans land until somebody backs him unequivocally (instead of via Jim White) or sacks him.

At least we're agreed on one thing he's certainly gone and is not handling the pressure well, rather like yourself, that was quite a rant against a mere comment that he'd clearly inspired Arsenal and not Everton.

I'm not wanting to hear anything in depth from him other than something that will galvanise his own team to perform, but commenting that Arsenal aren't that great away from home when we have a far woeful away record ( and a sheite home record this season) doesn't make any sense it simply makes him an easy target for more ridicule, I'd simply wish he could focus on our own team, it's quite arrogant of you to suggest what I'm wanting him to say, in fact it's quite the opposite, I'm not interested in him mentioning other teams, I'm not interested in him pointing out the negativity of our season up to date at all, I'm not interested in him underlining his own glaring faults but they're clearly playing on your thoughts.

He should be attempting to instill some confidence in the players themselves, pointing out their strengths, reminding them why he actually went out and bought them in the first place, telling them the season starts from here, explaining what a win will do to lift them and us the fans, be positive towards them and not negative towards opponents, that would appease me.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

The start to this season has been utter aids, and the powers that be are merely “a little bit worried”. Glad their ambition is in line with mine...

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

Do you never get tired of writing the same thing again and again?

I’m tired of mismanagement of our club, both at board level & on the pitch.


If only there was an Everton forum to express this. Oh wait....

 

[Khalekan]

Khalekan,

Yes we were the best team in Europe in May 1985 but I don't think we can blame God for the mess that we are in now.

Without getting too theological, we all have free will - that is a key part of the Christian belief. The fact that an individual(s) does/do not perform to the OPTIMUM is not the fault of God, it is simply human failing.

Did I pray at half time against Bayern in the LGS End - you can be assured I did. Did God decide to give us the win? Did He keep us up in 94 and 98? I am unsure whether His intervention or pure human effort were responsible.

In simple terms, we as a club are currently responsible for the mess we are in. Clive Thomas etc etc are human failings - I know that God is on my side, but I will not trouble Him with prayer for this mess to be fixed.

...er.....yes.


Forgive me, Father.....for I have sinned

 

[MercuryBlue88]

Not surprised the board still back him. Lyon was probably considered an acceptable loss.

 

[Khalekan]

Yep, so ironic that turn of events.
But the thing I've realised is that our inability to maintain our position domestically in the years that followed is what cost us .Others did. In truth and with hindsight our poor finances played a significant part in our fall from grace.
I blame our administrators from J. Moores onwards for failing to put in place a financial structure that would sustain us into the future,and I definitely include the much lauded P.Carter in that condemnation.
Ultimately, what has cost us our position was not a ban, but poor leadership at board level. We supporters never thought to question it until the golf loving Dr. Marsh was suddenly appointed chairman, so we too are somewhat culpable. We should always ask questions of our leadership.
Lesson learned.

You are right, Eggy.

Yes, Heysel cost us our best ever chance of winning the European Cup and in all probability we would have succeeded in doing so.

We will never know of course, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest we would indeed have been crowned European kingpins that season.

Our team was fantastic with the best striker in Europe totally on fire, we had established our European credentials in the ECWC the season before, it was a very weak tournament and Steau Bucharest is probably the worst team to ever win it, England went to Mexico in the World Cup and were on the verge of elimination until an influx of Everton players was introduced and turned disaster into glorious and honourable failure.

(I am getting angry writing this )

There is absolutely no doubt that the European ban hurt us more than any other team.

But we won the League title again the following year, in 1987.

So we did not totally collapse in the immediate aftermath of the ban.

The club remained a competitive force in the upper reaches of the table and was still getting to Cup Finals as the decade came to an end.

We were still powerful enough to lend out weight to the push for the breakaway super league and forming the Premier League without the approval and support of Everton would have been unthinkable.

And it was at that point, circa 1992, that the malaise set in.

Not due to Heysel which was nearly a decade previously, but due to the sheer mismanagement which has come to epitomise EFC to this very day and which I am afraid to say this observer thinks this mismanagement is gathering pace.

Then Sky got on board with the nascent Premier League.

And as the Sky/PL gravy train pulled out of the station, Everton Football Club stood on the platform waving goodbye to our status as one of English football’s handful of elite clubs....the “Big Five” as it was known at the time

That is twenty five years ago.

Not that long in the greater scheme of things.

But for the benefit of the teenagers here are a few historical facts about football in England.

In the early 90s we had been champions more often than Manchester United.

We were level on Title victories with Arsenal.

We had been champions more times than Manchester City, Chelsea and Spurs combined.

As the waiter in a London hotel once said to George Best as he delivered champagne to a Bestie whom was laying in a king sized bed with Miss World amidst ten grand in banknotes he had won in the casino the night before........”where did it all go wrong”