2024/25 Kevin Thelwell

[blueblue]

Reading that piece on the official site it looks like he is going nowhere.

TFG will not offer him a new contract unless they are prepared to trust him with their money imo.

 

[bluestevon]

By and large Moyes made some great signings, had a couple of years that were mates as well though. I causing his biggest spending season in 05. Only good player he brought in was Arteta who'd been here the season before on loan.

Rest of the business was between meh and god damned awful.

Phil Neville (meh)
AVdM, Kroldrup, Davies, Valente, Silva, Ruddy - spent 30m on that collection of turd.

Worry is that's the biggest activity in terms of numbers if players for decent money back then we brought in and he got it badly wrong, maybe he takes so long doing due diligence because if he doesn't he tends to makes pretty big errors.

Worried if we are looking to get 8-12 through the door it could be way too much to leave it to a manager - it's also no longer 2005 either tbf. Times moved on.

Let the DoF do the work and let Moyes have a veto fair enough, even let Moyes suggest players with Thelwell having veto, but thinking Moyes is at all capable of handling a very large transfer budget needing to target multiple positions and players is a bit naive

 

[Goat]

By and large Moyes made some great signings, had a couple of years that were mates as well though. I causing his biggest spending season in 05. Only good player he brought in was Arteta who'd been here the season before on loan.

Rest of the business was between meh and god damned awful.

Phil Neville (meh)
AVdM, Kroldrup, Davies, Valente, Silva, Ruddy - spent 30m on that collection of turd.

Worry is that's the biggest activity in terms of numbers if players for decent money back then we brought in and he got it badly wrong, maybe he takes so long doing due diligence because if he doesn't he tends to makes pretty big errors.

Worried if we are looking to get 8-12 through the door it could be way too much to leave it to a manager - it's also no longer 2005 either tbf. Times moved on.

Let the DoF do the work and let Moyes have a veto fair enough, even let Moyes suggest players with Thelwell having veto, but thinking Moyes is at all capable of handling a very large transfer budget needing to target multiple positions and players is a bit naive

Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Lescott, Jags, Baines, Coleman, all signed for less than a Doucs.

You can say a lot of things about Moyes, but you can never say that he didnt sign quality players for buttons.

It is of course a different world these days and who knows if Moyes can do it in this era of greed, but I dont think you can even question Moyes on transfers, personally.

He of course had some stinkers, but doesnt everybody.

 

[allen]

Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Lescott, Jags, Baines, Coleman, all signed for less than a Doucs.

You can say a lot of things about Moyes, but you can never say that he didnt sign quality players for buttons.

It is of course a different world these days and who knows if Moyes can do it in this era of greed, but I dont think you can even question Moyes on transfers, personally.

He of course had some stinkers, but doesnt everybody.

I think his diligence and propensity not to gamble - which we saw throughout his first term - coupled with the increased means we should be dealing with in the summer, is potentially quite exciting.

There’s also the potential that the increased budget means he feels less compulsion to be diligent or be more prone to gambling. But I don’t see that happening.

For me, it boils down to how much say he has in the summer (which depends on what happens with Thelwell), and how much time he’s had to bring himself up to speed with the market.

 

[Bebeto]

Reading that piece on the official site it looks like he is going nowhere.

TFG will not offer him a new contract unless they are prepared to trust him with their money imo.

And this is the worry...had an excuse until now which was psr for not been able to deliver. Eventually there will be nowhere to hide and he will be expected to deliver a competitive squad that can challenge in the top half of the table. I don't belive he has the acumen to do so. He is a good talker, I give you that which probably explains why TFG has been impressed with him. I am not saying that he is totally useless, and perhaps could work under a high profile dof that has the ability to close deals with the best footballers on the planet. That's where for me there is a big question mark.

 

[brieverton]

Not entirely sure what to make of that interview. Thought he spoke quite well generally. There was a little too much going round in circles trying to explain the restrictions of recent years.

He said we could "attack" the summer market which is good to hear and right towards the end uses the phrase "conservatively strategic" to describe the approach that would be taken.

It will all come down to where we stand squad wise when the window is shut. We certainly need to be strategic and that's a word also used by TFG but we can't really be conservative. This summer they have to push the margins as much as restrictions allow. We need to begin the process of recovery and catch-up and the correction of years of under-investment, that cannot be conservative.

I guess though he is just allowing some legroom there and not trying to get expectations up too much. Evolution and not revolution he also said.

Fair enough but things must look a lot better by the end of the summer.

They also need to get a stadium naming rights deal over the line and announced. That is going to be a critical component of making us more competitive. We need to hear something about that soon, with the test event next Monday.

 

[Bebeto]

If we don't buy at least 4 first 11 players in summer he's made a rod for his own back with that interview..if he's still at the club

Leaving all to do for the summer....thats remind me of the typical objectives you have in the corporate world that get pushed on for later in the year and that ultimately don't get achieved, let alone exceeded. My fear is that they will be another excuse in the summer....

 

[bluestevon]

Not entirely sure what to make of that interview. Thought he spoke quite well generally. There was a little too much going round in circles trying to explain the restrictions of recent years.

He said we could "attack" the summer market which is good to hear and right towards the end uses the phrase "conservatively strategic" to describe the approach that would be taken.

It will all come down to where we stand squad wise when the window is shut. We certainly need to be strategic and that's a word also used by TFG but we can't really be conservative. This summer they have to push the margins as much as restrictions allow. We need to begin the process of recovery and catch-up and the correction of years of under-investment, that cannot be conservative.

I guess though he is just allowing some legroom there and not trying to get expectations up too much. Evolution and not revolution he also said.

Fair enough but things must look a lot better by the end of the summer.

They also need to get a stadium naming rights deal over the line and announced. That is going to be a critical component of making us more competitive. We need to hear something about that soon, with the test event next Monday.

Yeah mixed bag of an interview, can't expect him to say yeah we are gonna be spending shed loads this summer though - seem to remember even Newcastles DoF said similar first season about them

 

[bluestevon]

Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Lescott, Jags, Baines, Coleman, all signed for less than a Doucs.

You can say a lot of things about Moyes, but you can never say that he didnt sign quality players for buttons.

It is of course a different world these days and who knows if Moyes can do it in this era of greed, but I dont think you can even question Moyes on transfers, personally.

He of course had some stinkers, but doesnt everybody.

It's more about Moyes seems to work the best when he takes his time and really goes in detail into a potential signing, if you're adding 8-10 or whatever large number it is, then he won't have the luxury, so then it means either he doesn't do his normal diligence or he does and we end up short - especially in the modern era when literally everyone has the money to jump in and get ahead.

I'd be happier if Moyes chose a couple of positions and focused on them solely - within the parameters of the recruitment model (age/price/wage etc) and the rest was left for Thelwell.

Problem is both seem utterly crap at spotting a top striker (both loving Broja scares me)

 

[mikel_88]

It's more about Moyes seems to work the best when he takes his time and really goes in detail into a potential signing, if you're adding 8-10 or whatever large number it is, then he won't have the luxury, so then it means either he doesn't do his normal diligence or he does and we end up short - especially in the modern era when literally everyone has the money to jump in and get ahead.

I'd be happier if Moyes chose a couple of positions and focused on them solely - within the parameters of the recruitment model (age/price/wage etc) and the rest was left for Thelwell.

Problem is both seem utterly crap at spotting a top striker (both loving Broja scares me)

Think broja has the talent can see why like him but well problem like dcl just far to many injuries. Not sure what sort money we will have and will look for in the cf position, but do wonder if we will look at delap

 

[bluestevon]

Think broja has the talent can see why like him but well problem like dcl just far to many injuries. Not sure what sort money we will have and will look for in the cf position, but do wonder if we will look at delap

Delap is the standout choice for a homegrown player - but that'll carry a premium and there will be a fair few interested too. Be surprised if he's not gonna end up going for north of 45m plus.

There would likely be better value for money abroad but probably also more of a risk too.

If we made Delap the biggest signing in the clubs history (that's what it'll take imo) overall I'd feel a lot more confident about the direction the clubs heading long term wise.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Just a thought, it’s been widely reported that his contract expires in the summer but wondering whether a) there’s an official source for the duration of his contract and b) whether any extension would even receive an announcement?

When he’s talking about the summer plans, and how they tailored January business around what they want to do in January, he doesn’t really sound like a guy who is scheduled to leave in July.

 

[bluestevon]

Just a thought, it’s been widely reported that his contract expires in the summer but wondering whether a) there’s an official source for the duration of his contract and b) whether any extension would even receive an announcement?

When he’s talking about the summer plans, and how they tailored January business around what they want to do in January, he doesn’t really sound like a guy who is scheduled to leave in July.

Lots of clubs extend without announcing it.

 

[mikel_88]

Delap is the standout choice for a homegrown player - but that'll carry a premium and there will be a fair few interested too. Be surprised if he's not gonna end up going for north of 45m plus.

There would likely be better value for money abroad but probably also more of a risk too.

If we made Delap the biggest signing in the clubs history (that's what it'll take imo) overall I'd feel a lot more confident about the direction the clubs heading long term wise.

Yeah if it was that price would also be room to sell on for a bigger price. Is a risk but would be the position id go big on. If it is thelwell this summer will be intrested to see what plans has on the attacking areas after go after kudus, gnonto minteh ect. Has had plenty of time to put a list toghether

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Lots of clubs extend without announcing it.

Yeah there was certainly no mention of a contract duration when they announced him so having not made any contract details public I imagine it would be perfectly normal to not announce if it had been extended.

It just seems to be received wisdom that he’s up in the summer but there’s not a lot to really back up that assumption.