Kenwright openly admits we need a new owner.

[Neiler]

lol, i wasnt saying that BK has to go. ;o. He cant go untill he sells. Im sorry if you thought my post was saying he should go.

Not at all mate i wasnt commenting on your post at all, i tend to avoid anything over 20 lines, especially on fridays, i was commenting more on a theme in the thread!

 

[Makis]

Main problem is everyone can assess the problem but no one can come up with a solution bar useing their kleenex and whingeing over bill or setting fire to an efiogy.

Is it as simple as lets oust Bill? Who takes over then? Whats the plan B?

Any non solution focussed comments is just frankly whingeing?

Someone to take over with either very deep pockets or an understanding on business. The club has been run very poorly financially-wise. Even without a rich owner, the club could increase it's turnover significantly if the business side was run professionally. Like, having stuff to sell to fans at the stores, pies during the match and such very basic things. Because they can't get even these right, one wonders how much wasted potential there are in other areas?

But I do think that if you ever want to get to Europe again you have to have a rich owner. Within the next two or three years there will be couple more take-overs, and after that it's game over for anyone else.

 

[Neiler]

Someone to take over with either very deep pockets or an understanding on business. The club has been run very poorly financially-wise. Even without a rich owner, the club could increase it's turnover significantly if the business side was run professionally. Like, having stuff to sell to fans at the stores, pies during the match and such very basic things. Because they can't get even these right, one wonders how much wasted potential there are in other areas?

But I do think that if you ever want to get to Europe again you have to have a rich owner. Within the next two or three years there will be couple more take-overs, and after that it's game over for anyone else.

Do you think it will happen mate? i cant see it myself as the [Poor language removed] are prime for takeover and probably would be more attractive to investor in this city.

 

[Makis]

Erm... it's not a week since we learner City is being taken over despite them having the biggest club in the world as their direct rival in Manchester. What makes the situation worse for us?

 

[Neiler]

Well It would cost 800 mill to buy Utd and frankly i doubht it was for sale.

Utd are not the same shambles as Liverpool who are prime for a takeover. They are still one of the biggest brand names in the market worldwide. They tick many of the boxes in the sense that they have planning permission for their ground, world wide brand, already an established CL club etc and are a reconiseable worldwide marketable brand.

I honestly beleive given a choice most neutral would choose the [Poor language removed] over us. Its just better buissness sense, we are definitely the less atractive optionin the city. That hurts to say but its true form a neutral invester stand point.

 

[Makis]

Liverpool would cost a massive amount of money as well, and need a new stadium to compete with Manchester United plus of course still require a lot more money in players to make them equal.

As for us vs them, you are probably right, but initial investment will be higher if they are bought by quite a margin. How much did the Yanks pay for Liverpool?

 

[Neiler]

Liverpool would cost a massive amount of money as well, and need a new stadium to compete with Manchester United plus of course still require a lot more money in players to make them equal.

As for us vs them, you are probably right, but initial investment will be higher if they are bought by quite a margin. How much did the Yanks pay for Liverpool?

Thats very true mate, but the type of investors both clubs need, are looking for and we are hoping for are hardly going to be penny pinchers, Its true we would cost less but ask yourself why? In terms of investment in choice of which merseyside club, its a choice between wheather they want huge investment in the innitial outlay or on the future development side. It just makes more sense to take over the [Poor language removed] from a buissness point of view as its less of a risk in terms of gaurented turnover, global marketing, trying to get into the top four, stadia development and i beleive they will be taken over before us. It gives me absolutley no plesure writing that!

Frankly i think we would have been taken over long before now only for them being in the same city and if they werent such a shambles at board room level i would be more hopeful of a takeover.

 

[Makis]

Of course you are right why it would make more sense, but that's also why it would cost a lot more. They need a new stadium even more than, because they are outselling Anfield. We still have thousands of empty seats on most matches. And Everton could get away with a cheaper stadium than them, they MUST build a world-class stadium in the 400 million range. Evertonias would be happy with a much cheaper one (for starters it wouldn' need to be so big, at least initially).

If someone was prepared to put the same amount of money to both clubs, he would be left with a lot more to invest in the playing side. They do have a better squad at the moment, but the new owner could spend 200-300 million more on players, which of course would make Everton a much better team than Liverpool.

 

[Neiler]

Of course you are right why it would make more sense, but that's also why it would cost a lot more. They need a new stadium even more than, because they are outselling Anfield. We still have thousands of empty seats on most matches. And Everton could get away with a cheaper stadium than them, they MUST build a world-class stadium in the 400 million range. Evertonias would be happy with a much cheaper one (for starters it wouldn' need to be so big, at least initially).

If someone was prepared to put the same amount of money to both clubs, he would be left with a lot more to invest in the playing side. They do have a better squad at the moment, but the new owner could spend 200-300 million more on players, which of course would make Everton a much better team than Liverpool.

That is why any potential takeover i beleive will go Liverpools way the possibilty for return on investment is huge, in buy ing a club and building the stadium of which its important to note that their is no complicated planning procedures ti go through, form an asset point of view will add to the value of the investment, like you say their new stadium has the potential to increase their service provision for their local fabase and as such turnover. Both clubs need investment in their squads but with Liverpools current turnover and european involvement this would take the sting out of the tail in terms of the amount of investment they would need in their squad. The other points i have mentioned above i.e international brand etc means their is just less to do at Liverpool to make them successfull then at Everton, while the potential for making a huge profit after admittedly investing more then thry would need to buy Everton are better then buying Everton currently.

My hope was the new stadium in Kirkby but i fear that decison has meant another five years of threading water, i hope i am very wrong about that but its my opinion, our great curse is being in the same city as those Norwegians.

 

[Makis]

My hope was the new stadium in Kirkby but i fear that decison has meant another five years of threading water, i hope i am very wrong about that but its my opinion, our great curse is being in the same city as those Norwegians.

How would that stadium increased the likelihood or Everton' competitiveness? Poor stadium (boring looking breeze-block stadium that would have done nothing to improve our status), limited extra income, a risk that attendances would actually fall, a lot more debt on the club.

That's the long run, in the short term someone might well be interested as an investment, but anyone wanting to buy just to increase their status would be less interested, I'm sure. And I don't want an investor who is just looking for profit buy flogging the club a few years later.

 

[Neiler]

How would that stadium increased the likelihood or Everton' competitiveness? Poor stadium (boring looking breeze-block stadium that would have done nothing to improve our status), limited extra income, a risk that attendances would actually fall, a lot more debt on the club.

Well the estetics of the stadium are a matter of opiinion im sure because you didnt like the design doesnt mean to say others feel the same way, opinions really. As are your other points i can counter argue them all and have done in many other threads but to be honest you wont convince me and i wont convice you, at the end of the day we are both speaking hypotheicly.

That's the long run, in the short term someone might well be interested as an investment, but anyone wanting to buy just to increase their status would be less interested, I'm sure. And I don't want an investor who is just looking for profit buy flogging the club a few years later.[/quote]

You know my opnion on investment, i think Liverpool will be taken over before us, we would all love new investment but i cant see it happening in the short term, frankly i am a bit amused on your customised hope for investment a techinicoulored billionaire with a heart, really it aint going to happen but i hope im wrong on that. In many ways the part i have highlighted describes Blue Bill.

 

[Makis]

Well the estetics of the stadium are a matter of opiinion im sure because you didnt like the design doesnt mean to say others feel the same way, opinions really. As are your other points i can counter argue them all and have done in many other threads but to be honest you wont convince me and i wont convice you, at the end of the day we are both speaking hypotheicly.

Honestly, if you like that design, you must really like supermarkets. It's just four identical stands (except of course two are smaller) and no redeeming features. Even the one they had, the store under the stadium, has been scrapped.

You know my opnion on investment, i think Liverpool will be taken over before us, we would all love new investment but i cant see it happening in the short term, frankly i am a bit amused on your customised hope for investment a techinicoulored billionaire with a heart, really it aint going to happen but i hope im wrong on that. In many ways the part i have highlighted describes Blue Bill.

I don't care whether they have a heart or not (of course it would be nice). I want them to be able to put money _into_ the club, not take it out.

Just out of curiosity, why did you start putting your text in bold? It doesn't make it any more factual.

 

[Neiler]

Honestly, if you like that design, you must really like supermarkets. It's just four identical stands (except of course two are smaller) and no redeeming features. Even the one they had, the store under the stadium, has been scrapped.


I don't care whether they have a heart or not (of course it would be nice). I want them to be able to put money _into_ the club, not take it out.

Just out of curiosity, why did you start putting your text in bold? It doesn't make it any more factual.

And the cirlcles compleate, you want a billionaire without a heart, but who will put loads of money into the club and not sell it to make a profit glad we clarified this mate. I hope your paitent!

The bolds for me to ensure that no one would think your points were mine. its an anti Whooper device!

 

[Makis]

Yes, both Chelsea and now Manchester City have billionaire owners who clearly aren't in it for the megabuck. And who knows what Lerner's motives are?

P.S. If you quote correctly, no-one will think my text is yours and vice versa.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Makis you spend a lot of time in knocking down other posts but we never hear what you think the club should do. So how about you explaining how in your opinion the club should proceed?

What plans do you think they should have and how is it to be funded?